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Only metal can save the planet.

"It doesnt judge me"

-Joe bitegliery

I'm watching the video right now, I am so far agreeing with it. 


I don't view AOC, and most mainstream environmentalists as saviors. 

I cannot see this problem being solved under a capitalist economic system, that I'd argue got us this deep in the mess to begin with. AOC is just apart of the System, and Greta is just a poster child for green capitalism. It doesn't solve the problem, it's just a band aid.


When your society is driven by a profit motive, there's not really a concern for much else. We've seen this time and time again. Look at the 1800s with child labor, poor working conditions and rights, the meat industry. Time and time again, the only way to solve these detrimental issues is through state intervention, and even then it doesn't solve the problem entirely. The corporations, they move. If you fuck them in one spot, they move to another, and they'll move anyway, markets must expand, and cheaper labor must be achieved. It's the falling rate of profit. It's capitalism's function. The Amazon Forest is a big example, with companies going in and cutting down land for farms for cows to expand meat industry




and yes, religion and the far right nutjobs are a plague on humanity, but I'm glad we can agree that people like AOC aren't saviors either. 

Ideologies everywhere but no solutions. 

AliceInWonderland said: 

Ideologies everywhere but no solutions. 

 Well, the first step in my eyes, would be to destroy capitalism, and thus be killing the big contributor to the problems, corporations achieving profit. From there, there'd have to be planning to reduce and try to allow the mechanism of earth be restored, like with the amazon, as the amazon stores and transports a lot of water through clouds across the globe.
 

I still very much need to research and become an expert but of course I can't give a mega detailed plan at the moment, all I can offer is in my eyes, the necessary steps towards actually getting a solution. 

What do you actually think would happen if we "destroyed" capitalism? Would we rely on state agencies? Would we end up with a communist nirvana?

If you havent done your research why are you talking?

Global warming is not something influencable, just like the ice age was not. Saying that we can stop it just allows us to feel in control of our doom.

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Hothouse Earth

Take the Cretaceous Period, which lasted from 145 to 66 million years ago. It was the final period of the dinosaur era, the time of Triceratops and Tyrannosaurus rex.

It was also roasting hot. There was at least four times as much carbon dioxide in the air then as there is now, and the results were dramatic. There were no large continental ice sheets, even at the poles. According to a review published in 2016, the Arctic Ocean may have been as warm as modern tropical oceans, between 15 and 20 °C. Closer to the equator, there is evidence that air temperatures regularly reached 50 °C, with peaks as high as 62 °C."

I believe earths temperature is cyclical just as we have 4 seasons.

Bossroach said: 

If you havent done your research why are you talking?

Global warming is not something influencable, just like the ice age was not. Saying that we can stop it just allows us to feel in control of our doom.

"

Hothouse Earth

Take the Cretaceous Period, which lasted from 145 to 66 million years ago. It was the final period of the dinosaur era, the time of Triceratops and Tyrannosaurus rex.

It was also roasting hot. There was at least four times as much carbon dioxide in the air then as there is now, and the results were dramatic. There were no large continental ice sheets, even at the poles. According to a review published in 2016, the Arctic Ocean may have been as warm as modern tropical oceans, between 15 and 20 °C. Closer to the equator, there is evidence that air temperatures regularly reached 50 °C, with peaks as high as 62 °C."

I believe earths temperature is cyclical just as we have 4 seasons.

 I never said it could be stopped and my research I'm speaking of mostly in terms of a plan to solve the issue, there's obviously a lot of factors to bring in.


Global warming happens naturally, I don't deny such nor do I think it can just "stop" because I will it to. The problem is the rate at which it heats up, as well as damaging Earth's mechanism to keep us alive, like with burning the Amazon.

Inquirer said: 

What do you actually think would happen if we "destroyed" capitalism? Would we rely on state agencies? Would we end up with a communist nirvana?

 I don't view it as paradise, I believe it would be a lot of work. The goal of overthrowing capitalist state is to replace it with a marxian socialist one, through that and central planning, you'd allocate resources to help combat whatever problems are being faced. The end goal of communism however, is to achieve a stateless, moneyless society. I am entirely fine with that, but I am also entirely fine with just having a socialist state that never withers away. 

In what sense do you mean "State agencies"?


I'm saying mostly, capitalism is an unsustainable, unstable economic system that will collapse one way or the other, and it's mechanism has become parasitic to humanity and our survival. 



This video is my core issue with Capitalism. 

Sintetika said: 

Inquirer said: 

What do you actually think would happen if we "destroyed" capitalism? Would we rely on state agencies? Would we end up with a communist nirvana?

 I don't view it as paradise, I believe it would be a lot of work. The goal of overthrowing capitalist state is to replace it with a marxian socialist one, through that and central planning, you'd allocate resources to help combat whatever problems are being faced. The end goal of communism however, is to achieve a stateless, moneyless society. I am entirely fine with that, but I am also entirely fine with just having a socialist state that never withers away. 

In what sense do you mean "State agencies"?


I'm saying mostly, capitalism is an unsustainable, unstable economic system that will collapse one way or the other, and it's mechanism has become parasitic to humanity and our survival. 



This video is my core issue with Capitalism. 

Beyond Capitalism being bad how does starting a global conflict that leads to more energy consumption needs, mass death, and the overall waste of resources solve enviromental issues?