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 So, I've decided I am going to start my foray into transhumanism right here on SC for all of you to bear witness to. This thread is where I will organize all my ideas and notes. However, I am aware that some of you might try to hijack some of my ideas and try them for yourself. That's no good, so I might keep it really general when I start making real breakthroughs and keep those to private threads. 

Anybody can bounce ideas to me, given that they build upon my ideas or add to the topic of transhumanism in general. I'm going to create a similar thread for holograms as well, another one of my areas of ambition and anybody can give their feedback on there as well. Eventually these threads will give way to actual experimentation both physically and digitally. For transhumanism some of it may have to be digital experiments due to how expensive and hard to get ahold of some of the materials are in relation to it. For holograms you will see actual experiments eventually.

So, let's get to the basics. What specific aspects of transhumanism do I intend to investigate? I'll organize this in terms of human limitation.

Strength-

  • Prosthetic arms and legs
  • Arm and leg augmentations

Jumping/Speed-

  • Shoes that enhance jumping ability
  • Leg/shoe augmentation that allows improved jumping ability and running speed.

Cognitive Abilities-

  • Investigate genetic/environmental/circumstantial causes of high intelligence (especially focus on geniuses)
  • Investigate neurology of thinking, including access to more parts of the brain. Investigate "smart drugs" and drugs that tend to open brain pathways.
  • Investigate neurological/chemical circumstances for those with high cognitive ability.
  • Seek to mimic those circumstances through development of safe, long acting drugs that will do this.
  • Seek to mimic reproductive/genetic circumstances that produce genius.
  • Investigate what stimuli in the brain induces high cognitive activity and seek to mimic that stimuli through technology.

Mortality-

  • Investigate what goes on in the brain as aging takes place and look into ways to reverse or halt this.
  • Investigate both chemical and mechanical/electrical ways that could combat the breakdown of various parts of the human body such as skin, the heart, the brain, the immune system, and the central/peripheral nervous system.
  • Investigate which parts of the human body age the most rapidly, and if there are any parts that do not age. If there are, identify the difference between these parts and the ones that age.
  • Investigate the composition of neurons, nerve cells, ect and look into ways to recreate them.
  • Investigate memory pathways in neurons and synapses and how they form over time.
  • Investigate in particular, how information is transferred between different parts of the brain.
  • Investigate how energy is taken in and converted within neurons. What kind of energy?
  • Seek to recreate actual neurons and their synapses. Investigate a way to connect these recreated neurons to an actual brain and transfer the information from the brain to the recreated brain.
  • Investigate digital means to recreate neurons in the form of computer memory, and how actual memories from the human brain could be transferred into this digital brain. 
  • Investigate integration of this digital brain into practical applications such as a virtual world, or even uploading it into a full on Android body.

So for strength and speed, I feel that the way to go is biotic and mechanical. Ideally, I believe that transhumanism would be best done in a way that preserves our current bodies. So I think that for the operations of muscles the forces of mechanical advantage ought to be taken advantage of rather than amputation and substitution of a brand new limb.

For cognitive abilities, same. I think it should be pursued in a chemical or genetic way. Or with some kind of safe mechanism that gives the brain stimuli that encourages cognitive activity in parts of the brain that are associated with high intelligence.

As for something as grand as defeating mortality I see three foreseeable paths. One is combating aging itself in our existing bodies; the most ideal. One is transferring our memories onto a brand new, improved brain/body that is synthetic and stronger. One involves straight up uploading your mind into the cloud. I guess that last one isnt technically immortality unless YOU consciously go into this virtual world. It's perhaps the most compelling because at that point you could design your personal heaven. I really dig the idea of writing programs that essentially minic the functions of neurons, neurotransmitters, and eventually muscles, thinking, ect. This idea excited me.

This is an outline for what I got so far. Further research into all the questions these raise will undoubtedly split off into many branches but I'll try to stay organized.

That's about all. This is more of an introduction post to get the ball rolling. I hope you all enjoy participating with me on this journey to change the world. Feel free to drop any good resources, articles, or ideas you have on this topic. 

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Now the world really will all know TPG, because they will all see this thread when I break through.

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I'm more excited for augmented reality concepts fleshing out further than Google Glass: 

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Anybody can bounce ideas to me, given that they build upon my ideas or add to the topic of transhumanism in general.

I actually really like this subject, but haven't been keeping up with it as much as I ought to. This topic's a nice idea. 

I'm going to create a similar thread for holograms as well, another one of my areas of ambition and anybody can give their feedback on there as well.


For holograms you will see actual experiments eventually.

It shouldn't be long before Mysterio could be a feasible reality: 

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I've been starting to see more youtube results auto-generating lately on holograms, including a Ted Talk on them. 

Strength-

  • Prosthetic arms and legs
  • Arm and leg augmentations

The idea of adding additional limbs would be neat, but I can't imagine how they'd get that to work with some sort of neural link beyond training the use of it in children or something. 

Jumping/Speed-

  • Shoes that enhance jumping ability

We had those back in the 90s: 



In all seriousness though, this is something that shoe companies in general have been working on for a while, so aiming to work on such a business is feasible in the near future instead of the distant future. 

Cognitive Abilities-

  • Investigate genetic/environmental/circumstantial causes of high intelligence (especially focus on geniuses)

Introducing uniformity into genes to get "ideal" results is how we throw the whole thing out of balance. In many cases it comes from a natural struggle forcing an adaptive workaround, so many strains of genius stem from disorders and handicaps, if not from weakened genetic lines (ie: Einstein). With less variation we'll also have less "out of the box" thinking, meaning less to accomplish with said intelligence. 

It's bad enough how gregariousness works on people, steering it in such a simplistic way here is bound to create issues. Once you've created "the ideal human" in general, that knowledge will be in the hands of people who'd want to use it. Designer humans in general could be used to make for a conformist genetic template, or have us split into occupational classifications (soldier genes vs engineer genes for instance). 

When any idea is designed, we must take into account how it could go wrong once it's introduced, whether from poor use of the idea or flaws within the ideas themselves. We need a way to account for enough variation still being present, as if lets say... higher intelligence ends up rounding out if not eliminating creative drives (like if lets say they reduced suicidal risk in people by lowering depression rates), we could end up worse off than allowing countless failures instead. 

Mortality-

  • Investigate what goes on in the brain as aging takes place and look into ways to reverse or halt this.

This has been in the works, especially in relation to degenerative diseases. 

  • Seek to recreate actual neurons and their synapses. Investigate a way to connect these recreated neurons to an actual brain and transfer the information from the brain to the recreated brain.
  • Investigate digital means to recreate neurons in the form of computer memory, and how actual memories from the human brain could be transferred into this digital brain. 
  • Investigate integration of this digital brain into practical applications such as a virtual world, or even uploading it into a full on Android body.

So... Ghost in the Shell basically? 

Have you ever watched it before (ideally with no commercials)? 

So for strength and speed, I feel that the way to go is biotic and mechanical.

So I think that for the operations of muscles the forces of mechanical advantage ought to be taken advantage of rather than amputation and substitution of a brand new limb.

What are you meaning by "biotic" in this case? 

Mechanical work has issues with the material not repairing itself and in relation to the interaction between living signals that result in mechanical responses. 

Ideally, I believe that transhumanism would be best done in a way that preserves our current bodies.

It's how we surpass death, but have you asked yourself what costs might follow that? 

I'm interested in it too, but more for the psychological and sociological ramifications. It's otherwise a pretty bad idea, as then you have to ask yourself about what will happen in relation to reproduction once it goes beyond only the rich having it. 

Imagine if a world leader could never die other than through targeted assassination, what then? If we can digitize a brain, can we copy it or otherwise move it into a battle tank? Death has presented life with many advantages, and a lot will stand to change once we step in the way of that. 

The complications with notions of mass producible immortality are amazing to consider. 

For cognitive abilities, same. I think it should be pursued in a chemical or genetic way. Or with some kind of safe mechanism that gives the brain stimuli that encourages cognitive activity in parts of the brain that are associated with high intelligence.

Messing with how the brain works is kind of rough when Neuroscience is otherwise still so young. We ought to work on understanding what we're working with before we go about modifying it. 

How much of intelligence would you say is a product of their environment instead of the birthright of their genetics? 

As for something as grand as defeating mortality I see three foreseeable paths. One is combating aging itself in our existing bodies; the most ideal.

The symptoms of this idea has the most room to hit every living person. 

One is transferring our memories onto a brand new, improved brain/body that is synthetic and stronger.

Ever play any of the Deus Ex series? 

One involves straight up uploading your mind into the cloud.

If we can have cellphones be faster by feeding straight into our heads, and we can have our search queries done with thinking instead of typing or speaking, we basically already are part of a Cloud-like mind. 

All three of the above possibilities of yours has the room to be blended into one another. 

Ever read Transmetropolitan? Highly recommend it for how they handle future fears reasonably within the transhumanist spectrum. 

I guess that last one isnt technically immortality unless YOU consciously go into this virtual world.

Like that episode of Black Mirror, 'San Junipero'? 

It's perhaps the most compelling because at that point you could design your personal heaven.

Twilight Zone explored this concept as being one's own personal Hell... by representing getting everything you want as said Hell. 

When you can get all you'd ever want, it no longer has value from the loss of constraints. It's why some Eastern religions think that their idea of God is effectively trying to trick itself into a complicated omniscient framework of being multiple ignorant beings at once that interacts with itself. 

When you're free to do anything, the anticipation and toil being gone grants it no value beyond novelty. It's one of the hallmark requirements for the development of "Affluenza". 


Most technology applications I see hitting a more promising market tends to be related to service uses, introducing conveniences into the lives we're already living instead of trying to change too much at once.
 

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Are you Mormon by any chance? 

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Oh, I also recommend "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep", whether the book or the drawn comic that uses every single line from the book

It explores the dangers of being able to modify your thinking processes with number codes. In such a world, you could only be depressed if you were in a setting that could be convinced to do "something so horrible" to yourself. 


I'll leave some links to the stuff I recommended below: 

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

Transmetropolitan

Ghost in the Shell

Twilight Zone: A Nice Place To Visit

"Affluenza"

I've also still been meaning to watch Gattaca

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I feel like Transhumanism under a market economy would only turn people into living commodities. As now, your body that has been upgraded is reliant upon the company you paid to do whatever form of transhumanist service to you. If possible, I'd replace most of my flesh with machine, and I'd become immortal, but that doesn't mean I'd want to live forever, I just like the concept of these advances in regards to prolonging life to allow an easier way to explore our universe. I feel like under Capitalism it'd turn into a hedonistic nightmare of extreme pleasure and pain. I think something like Altered Carbon does a good job at somewhat describing what I am referring to. In regards to hedonistic cancers. 

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I am very much a supporter of Transhumanism and by extension Techno-gaianism but, under a more controlled way, and not so much hindered by profit motive and mass consumption. 

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