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You're still confusing discipline with physical punishment. Nobody argued that children shouldn't experience consequences, boundaries, or accountability. What you're claiming is that physically assaulting children produces better outcomes than disciplining them without violence. Those are two entirely different propositions.

The Gemini response you quoted doesn't even mention corporal punishment. It discusses the consequences of growing up without discipline. You're assuming that children who aren't beaten automatically lack discipline, which is a false equivalence.

And yes, your claim requires evidence. If you're asserting that beating children makes them more resilient, disciplined, and psychologically stable, then you need to demonstrate that relationship. Simply calling it common sense doesn't establish causation.

You also haven't identified a single methodological flaw in either study. Your opinions about the researchers, universities, or pronouns have no bearing on whether their findings are accurate.

Your comparison to criminal punishment is equally questionable. Research from the US National Institute of Justice indicates that the certainty of consequences matters considerably more for deterrence than their severity. Increasing the severity of punishment doesn't automatically improve behavior.

You seem to believe that suffering is inherently educational, but suffering and learning aren't interchangeable. A child can learn that an action has consequences without learning that violence is an acceptable response to disobedience.

Your entire argument rests on the assumption that because violence can produce immediate compliance, it must produce better long-term outcomes. That's precisely the assumption the research challenges.

You can continue insisting that beating children works because you experienced it, but that's still an anecdote, not evidence that it works better than nonviolent discipline.

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You're still confusing discipline with physical punishment. Nobody argued that children shouldn't experience consequences, boundaries, or accountability. What you're claiming is that physically assaulting children produces better outcomes than disciplining them without violence. Those are two entirely different propositions.

Corporal punishment. Pretty sure I mentioned that myself. 

The Gemini response you quoted doesn't even mention corporal punishment. It discusses the consequences of growing up without discipline. You're assuming that children who aren't beaten automatically lack discipline, which is a false equivalence.

Sure. questioned it about growing up without discipline. The LLM can only talk about what it's fed. I can ask it about what the fuck a Zir is supposed to be, and it'll tell me something about that. Ai doesn't believe in anything. 

 

And yes, your claim requires evidence. If you're asserting that beating children makes them more resilient, disciplined, and psychologically stable, then you need to demonstrate that relationship. Simply calling it common sense doesn't establish causation.

It drives away foolery. That's the power of consequence. 

It doesn't require proof. People know the consequences of their actions. 

 

You also haven't identified a single methodological flaw in either study. Your opinions about the researchers, universities, or pronouns have no bearing on whether their findings are accurate.

Well I mentioned the pronouns thing just to point out it's a crock of pretentious shit they tend to pedal in universities. Even in your lifetime this wasn't happening before. All nonsense. 

One who claims to be gender binary. They are going to be miserable because their whole life, people will say, she her and every time they are going to freak out. Disorder. 

A child knows male and female. That's functional. The new stuff is confusion and self conflicting for participants of that rubbish. "Non Binary" bitch shut up, you have a womb. 

 

Your comparison to criminal punishment is equally questionable. Research from the US National Institute of Justice indicates that the certainty of consequences matters considerably more for deterrence than their severity. Increasing the severity of punishment doesn't automatically improve behavior.

Oh yeah certainty of consequence is a thing. 

A child can know if he gets caught doing dumb shit, he's going to his room !  Oh no !

In my opinion that's soft.

When a child knows his parents would break his ass. It's not something they're going to entertain. 

 

You seem to believe that suffering is inherently educational, but suffering and learning aren't interchangeable. A child can learn that an action has consequences without learning that violence is an acceptable response to disobedience.

I'm glad my parents busted my ass. I'm not even saying this to win an argument.  Truly grateful. I see things. 

 

Your entire argument rests on the assumption that because violence can produce immediate compliance, it must produce better long-term outcomes. That's precisely the assumption the research challenges.

You can continue insisting that beating children works because you experienced it, but that's still an anecdote, not evidence that it works better than nonviolent discipline.

 And the west is getting softer. Though this is something you're unable to see or notice. 

I recall not too long ago, in the US the probability of being drafted started popping up. Nope. Not that generation. No no no. lol.

Last great military in the west was the GenX'ers. I'm not saying there aren't any fine recruits in your generation, but not as many as those before them. GenZ nope. Gen Alpha. 

The west is getting softer and softer, AND, mental disorder is on the rise, AND corporal punishment has been on the decline for quite awhile now. 

All true. 

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What is with this foul language! You are a wizard.

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As for the other things I think beatings are an effective form of punishment if you are strong enough.

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I hate myself. 

 Walk it off and get back to work.

Thrall to the Wire of Self-Excited Circuit.
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