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You should use paragraphs to makes your long posts easier to digest.

Math physics. Computerized 3D. It's all real.

CGI is CGI.

 As the aesthetic fictions have been attacked, so also have the scientific. Dühring, for instance, combats the extension of the concept of space (meta-mathematics). It is interesting to find the same writer opposing poetry fictions (use of myths and tropes) and, like Plato, refusing to tolerate poetry in his ideal state.

But Plato and Dühring (if Spatial Mind will pardon the juxtaposition) entirely misunderstand the physical influence of the poetic fiction, and Dühring, in particular, that of the scientific fiction. Its excessive employment may certainly cause great injury and demoralization ; for anything may prove to be double-edged. The aesthetic fiction may also be very harmful, but it is a mistake to reject it entirely. The poet shows us imaginary figures, pictures and individuals, especially in the drama (against which Dühring like Plato protests). Yet the poetic fiction (in the case of the drama it is a double one, since the actors represent imaginary individuals and deliver imaginary speeches) is of the highest aesthetic importance.

How easily the fiction can transform itself into an hypothesis can be seen by the fact that the audience and the reader are not able to maintain the psychical tension of the as if indefinitely.

Another type of fiction is furnished by those used in conventional social intercourse. Most of the phrases of social intercourse are fictions. Von Hartmann in his essay, "On the Incincerity of Modern LIfe," certainly showed that most conventional phrases as well as those employed in politics, etc., are "lies," but he forgot to note that these are not merely legitimate but necessary fictions, without which the more refined types of social intercourse would become impossible, and which, for that reason, have always existed. We might call this type the poetic fiction.

Thus here, too, we have the same principle, namely, that certain forms of speech and thought, which in themselves are purely formal and unreal, make social intercourse easier. Polite fictions might also be called "conventional fictions." If I conclude a letter with the words "Your obedient servant," that does not mean "I am your servant," but "regard me as if I were your servant." Thus the as if is indispensable in practical life also. Without such fictions no refined form of life would be possible.

This brings us to "official fictions" as they might be called. It may , for instance, be in the interest of a government to create an official fiction. Von Hartmann criticizes such forms also, for when they degenerate are they really deserving of opprobrium. This is a matter for moral tact, just as aesthetic taste and logical tact decide the application of fictions in their respective fields.

Fiction thus enteres profoundly into our practical life. Here, too, what were originally hypotheses frequently become fictions. Such cases can have enormous practical importance. Take, for instance, the question of oaths. With the current formula, everyone who swears without believing in a God is indulging in a permissable fiction. The phrase, "I swear by Almighty God," then means, "I swear as if a God heard me." Such fictions are not merely permissible, but under certain circumstances are necessary, and resistance is ridiculous.

Our theory of practical fictions—and it is only the outcome of a cirtical attitude toward the world—certainly has many dangers, as von Hartmann, for example, rightly pointed out. But it must not be forgotten that such fictions are necessary ; they are a consequence of human imperfection, and, like the various aids to reflective thought, are by no means an unmixed blessing (as Nicolai, for instance, well insisted). Whether they are merely consequences of imperfection must remain an open question. But the importance of our theory for practical philosopy and CGI is obvious. All the nobler aspects of our life are based upon fictions. We have contended that a pure ethic can be established by the recognition of its fictional basis. How closely truth and illusion thus approach one another is apparent. We shall have occasion to point out how "truth" is really merely the most expedient type of error at a later time but all the dictionarys are currently water logged, our observatory is getting significant unexplainable phenomenon and there are flying saucers everywhere. None of them speak any English and though we've been communicating with them through a generative adversarial network trained with randomly assigned parameters from bioacoustic data of catacomb sounds over the course of 4 months in combination with Cretan hireoglyphs translated through fast fourier tranform into sound which has gone disastrously against our ceasing efforts to fend them off throughout the course of our experiments for the sake of the continuation of the project itself, today has been a bad day in the field to say the least. But to get back to our conclusions with the topic at hand ; It is an error to suppose that an absolute truth, an absolute criterion of knowledge and behaviour, can be discovered. The higher aspects of life are based upon noble delusions. Thus our theory clearly leads to a practical view of the world very different from the ordinary one.

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You've been alone too long Spatial. 

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You've been alone too long Spatial. 

 He doesn't even appreciate or understand what a very conventional woman even looks like

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Delora said: 

You've been alone too long Spatial. 

 He doesn't even appreciate or understand what a very conventional woman even looks like

 That may or may not be true. Though I wouldn't call your taste in Waifus and furries a conventional take either.

I would say my GF is an 8.7 on the 10 scale. Cute face with freckles, mixed like me, very nice ass. very curvy in her lower body. She's a bit short, very submissive toward me, she has the female sounding pitch in her voice when she speaks. So feminine, she can't even run lol. It's come to a point where I don't care when guys chase after her. 

Now the one I think about every day. It's a soul contract. I like her for no reason as though someone casted a powerful spell. I like her the most, more than any woman I've ever known. Not curvy, flat chest, kinda small. Too immature though, head games. Toxic relationship. You can say I'm like Med, except I give up instead of chasing and just love the idea of this woman. 

Both of these women are masterpieces. My GF is what men look for in a woman, while my endless crush is hellfire in ways I'm tired of. While my love for the crush is like a curse, my GF is the one with finer female assets, which doesn't particularly matter.

These two women know one another. Not well but they know. My GF knows what my crush is to me.

I don't call either of them. They understand I don't call so they call me. My GF likes my art, and finds some of my work very funny. 

My crush on the other hand would probably be offended, though I did kinda mention to her what I plan on doing. 

My advice to men. Choose the woman who loves and respects you and not the one you're chasing. Wisdom.

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feral said: 

You should use paragraphs to makes your long posts easier to digest.

Math physics. Computerized 3D. It's all real.

CGI is CGI.

 As the aesthetic fictions have been attacked, so also have the scientific. Dühring, for instance, combats the extension of the concept of space (meta-mathematics). It is interesting to find the same writer opposing poetry fictions (use of myths and tropes) and, like Plato, refusing to tolerate poetry in his ideal state.

But Plato and Dühring (if Spatial Mind will pardon the juxtaposition) entirely misunderstand the physical influence of the poetic fiction, and Dühring, in particular, that of the scientific fiction. Its excessive employment may certainly cause great injury and demoralization ; for anything may prove to be double-edged. The aesthetic fiction may also be very harmful, but it is a mistake to reject it entirely. The poet shows us imaginary figures, pictures and individuals, especially in the drama (against which Dühring like Plato protests). Yet the poetic fiction (in the case of the drama it is a double one, since the actors represent imaginary individuals and deliver imaginary speeches) is of the highest aesthetic importance.

How easily the fiction can transform itself into an hypothesis can be seen by the fact that the audience and the reader are not able to maintain the psychical tension of the as if indefinitely.

Another type of fiction is furnished by those used in conventional social intercourse. Most of the phrases of social intercourse are fictions. Von Hartmann in his essay, "On the Incincerity of Modern LIfe," certainly showed that most conventional phrases as well as those employed in politics, etc., are "lies," but he forgot to note that these are not merely legitimate but necessary fictions, without which the more refined types of social intercourse would become impossible, and which, for that reason, have always existed. We might call this type the poetic fiction.

Thus here, too, we have the same principle, namely, that certain forms of speech and thought, which in themselves are purely formal and unreal, make social intercourse easier. Polite fictions might also be called "conventional fictions." If I conclude a letter with the words "Your obedient servant," that does not mean "I am your servant," but "regard me as if I were your servant." Thus the as if is indispensable in practical life also. Without such fictions no refined form of life would be possible.

This brings us to "official fictions" as they might be called. It may , for instance, be in the interest of a government to create an official fiction. Von Hartmann criticizes such forms also, for when they degenerate are they really deserving of opprobrium. This is a matter for moral tact, just as aesthetic taste and logical tact decide the application of fictions in their respective fields.

Fiction thus enteres profoundly into our practical life. Here, too, what were originally hypotheses frequently become fictions. Such cases can have enormous practical importance. Take, for instance, the question of oaths. With the current formula, everyone who swears without believing in a God is indulging in a permissable fiction. The phrase, "I swear by Almighty God," then means, "I swear as if a God heard me." Such fictions are not merely permissible, but under certain circumstances are necessary, and resistance is ridiculous.

Our theory of practical fictions—and it is only the outcome of a cirtical attitude toward the world—certainly has many dangers, as von Hartmann, for example, rightly pointed out. But it must not be forgotten that such fictions are necessary ; they are a consequence of human imperfection, and, like the various aids to reflective thought, are by no means an unmixed blessing (as Nicolai, for instance, well insisted). Whether they are merely consequences of imperfection must remain an open question. But the importance of our theory for practical philosopy and CGI is obvious. All the nobler aspects of our life are based upon fictions. We have contended that a pure ethic can be established by the recognition of its fictional basis. How closely truth and illusion thus approach one another is apparent. We shall have occasion to point out how "truth" is really merely the most expedient type of error at a later time but all the dictionarys are currently water logged, our observatory is getting significant unexplainable phenomenon and there are flying saucers everywhere. None of them speak any English and though we've been communicating with them through a generative adversarial network trained with randomly assigned parameters from bioacoustic data of catacomb sounds over the course of 4 months in combination with Cretan hireoglyphs translated through fast fourier tranform into sound which has gone disastrously against our ceasing efforts to fend them off throughout the course of our experiments for the sake of the continuation of the project itself, today has been a bad day in the field to say the least. But to get back to our conclusions with the topic at hand ; It is an error to suppose that an absolute truth, an absolute criterion of knowledge and behaviour, can be discovered. The higher aspects of life are based upon noble delusions. Thus our theory clearly leads to a practical view of the world very different from the ordinary one.

 Not everything about 3D is fiction though. 

There are things called CNC machines, and these days they work with 3D models. Engineers use 3D engineering software to design and simulate functional machines or architecture. I've done the same with 3D software meant for movies or games. ( They have measuring tools too )

I do have a 3D printer and I never had it scribble out a character. I only ever made prototypes and machine parts with it. Currently the washing machine here is broken. The actuator turns both ways with a cranking sound, this means the dogs are stripped. 

I'm going to dismantle the machine today, locate the part. Why model the part myself when I can get Claude to do it. Just give it the machines number, say which part and Claude will model it for me at the correct scale. I'll then slice the model prepare the file for the printer and let it rip. 

Probably should use the carbon fiber infused PLA material for this job, cause I imagine the dogs in a washer machine endure heavy loads. I hate working with this stuff though. it's not fun cleaning the nozzle afterward, this time I'll waste a bit of regular PLA material and let it run for though the nozzle before it cools.

 

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feral said: 

You should use paragraphs to makes your long posts easier to digest.

Math physics. Computerized 3D. It's all real.

CGI is CGI.

 

Corresponding with ancient athenian wisdoms we can understand ύπόφεσις to be inevitably that which the two opponents make a calculatory reductio absurdum towards hence proving the concept of fictions. Math, physics, computerized 3D and 3D are not real. They are constructs of fictions that we have adapted to and forgotten about, if we imagine a tribe with completely different mathematical systems, entirely different computers, physics rules that make no sense to us, this like all of math and physics is also, a fiction.

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HAving now, introduced a certain order into the differences beyween the various fictions themselves, we must now indicsate the boundaries which separate computerized fiction from what is also often designated by the same term. Fictio means, in the first place, sn an ativity of fingere, that is to say, of constructing, forming, giving shape, elaborating, pre-assuming, planning, devisiing, inventing. Secondly, it refers to the product of these activities, the fictional assumption, fabircation, creation, the imagined case. Its most conspicuous character is that of unhampered and free expression.

Mythology, in so far as it may be regarded as the common mother of religion, poetry, AI generated art and science, shows us the first expression in free constructive activity of the inventive faculty of our computer devices, of the AI's imagination, and of phantasy. It is here that we first find products of phantasy that do not correspond to reality. On the other hand, the Darwinian brain construct fiction's genius of fictions is the same in all fields of inquiry. Steinthal has sufficiently emphasized this fact. AS a rule, we speak not only of all gods as fictions, but more particulatly of all constructs which are freely fashioned out of empirical elements. The favourite examples are, Pegasus, the sphinx, the centaur, the griffin. Here we have the free creative play of physical activity, expressing itswelf in arbitrary combinations and alternations of elements existing in the world of fact. However interesting these and other fictions, such as angels, devils, pixies, spirits, etc. may be for the logical theory of existential propositions, they are of minor importance for our present theme. At most they concern us only in so far as such a sjudgment as "matter consists of atoms" or, "the curved line consists of infinitesimals" is to be understood only as a fictive judgment in which no existence is predicated. Otherwise (i.e. if the judgment be not taken to mean that matter is to be regarded as if it consisted of atoms), then a correct fiction is changed into an incorrect judgment, in other words, into an error. The primary meaning of fiction = mythological entity, is thus distinguished from the scientific fiction, and this covers all the specifically religious fictions. On the other hand, we saw above that definite theological fictions could be of value for the scientific study of fiction. Here, too, we have a gradual transition from poetry to science.

Closely related to the mythological and religious fictrions are the aesthetic, which, in part, simply represent poetic adaptaions of the former, but in part are newly created. The aesthetic fictions not only include all similes, metaphors and comparisons, but also those ideational forms that deal reven more freely with reality. Here we must group not only all personifications, but also allegories and all idealizing forms of thought. The aesthetic fiction and its theoretical explanation are, inpart, closely related to the scientific fiction ; and this is quite natural when we remember that the same elementary psychical darwinian fiction processes contributed to the construction of both. Aesthetic fictions serve the purpose of awakening within us certain uplifting or otherwise important feelings. Like the scientific, they are not an end in themselves but a means for the attainment of higher ends. This parallel might be pressed further and is exceedingly instructive. Just as the introduction of scientific fictions have rise to a violent controversy, both in general and as regards particular concepts, so in the case of the aesthetric ficion—as everyone acquainted with the histrory of aesthetic theory well knows—there has been a bitter conflict. It is the old dispute, still carried on intermittently, as to the degree in which the imaginative faculty may deviate from nature, how far it must be imitative and how far freely creative. As in science so in poetry, of which we are here speaking in particular, fictions have been greatly abused, and this has frequently led to reactions, based on exacty the same grounds as those resulting from the misues of scientific fictions. The real criterion as to how far such fictions are to be admitted into either field, and one which has always been adopted by good taste and logical taxt alike, is simply the practical value of such fictions.

 When asked if, say animated characters are real. I'll say yes. 

The nature of anything animated is as follows. 

- A person place or thing on a series of images played back to give the illusion of motion.

This can be done with a flipbook and a pencil. This is a real "thing"  

Not like we are, because we are not the same. We exist as we are.

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Are paintings real ? Yes. They are paintings. Certainly not like us, but they are as they are. 

Fiction is fiction. We make that too. 

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Are the people on the Internet real ?

Yes. There are real people behind the avatars. Everything online are either things we've made, or things we've captured. 

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Are visual FX real ? Not in the sense one would think, but they are visual FX, they have to be real within their nature, which is an image composited on top of another to give the illusion of something being there. We can look at a movie and say, good CG. We see it. It took a lot of work to make it happen, even more work to build the technology, and the technology consumes energy. 

Doesn't matter if it's a person place or thing. We'll shape 3D digital objects into anything and everything. But we like art and entertainment, so we'll make things with it, some will say it isn't real or not a real person. Correct. It's "something" though. Never came from nothing. It's mathematical too. 

Is it unhealthy ? Some people earn a living selling candy, and too much of anything is bad for you. 

Not everything done with 3D is appealing. Knowing how to use it and having talent are 2 separate things.

I see fictional character in your avatar. Makes no difference if it's 2D or 3D. It can be used tell stories, or whatever else can be done with it. It represents you. 

 

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