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We'd need to pin down what makes it unconditional, as on it's own conditions need to be met. 

Ursula said: 

Is it a myth? Has anyone ever experienced it for real?

 I have and still do. It's real. 

Unconditional love is only realized under toxic circumstances. 

I laid it down to rest permanently. Of course I'll take her calls as usual, and things will be fine. The tricks then come out, I don't fall for it and remain standing unphased, and once again things are unwell between us again until the next episode.

I don't understand why I think about someone whose so petty.

I do not chase. That would be a problem. Don't ever chase after people who aren't worthy of the love you have for them. Ironically this brings her closer, as she'll pull when pushed and vice versa.

Doing fuck all for her is honestly the best thing, and it isn't out of resentment. It's a mechanism that commands respect, or else it'll be a matter of time before getting disrespected.

And still. There she is in my head, every single day while I avoid her, wishing things would've been different. Then, if things got different I'll have to decline at this point.

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Why avoid and decline her offers or requests for assistance you may ask ?

I used to respond to those things. Gone are those days. Need to look after oneself.

In nature she's demonic you see. It bothers her that she can't lay me down next to the other guys she lifted up high then dropped, so she'll boomerang, be cordial, then take another swing at trying to wound me. Last time was actually meaningful, as it had to do with what I'm not to her. 

I understand she's fucked up and I take no offence when she cracks and tries to eat my soul. For no reason she's beautiful to me, I wouldn't have chosen someone like her, it was somehow done for me.

The only reason I shun her is because she's monstrous. I suggest to myself audio recording 1 on 1 encounters with her, for protection, I feel like it's a matter of time before she falsely accuses me of doing her something.

I see who and what she is. She can do things I really don't wish her to do, horrible things, and still love her while she as a person sucks.

I'm at peace with it I think.

What do you think "unconditional love" means?  Is it the same as "true love"?

I would place it under the definition of a "myth" primarily because anyone would still be asking this question.  Either no one seems to know what it is, or it is left up to the individual to define it for themselves, which means it is all bespoke and everyone's mileage will vary.

Inadvertently, TC has pointed out that it is also a logical paradox, since to give it the category of "unconditional" is in some abstract way placing conditions upon it.

Aside from that pedantry, the definition a lot of people might take for unconditional love seems to be what Spatial is hinting at: an enduring feeling of love that survives through changing conditions, especially those which would normally break or end such feelings.  One would have to ask themselves why this love persists beyond what would normally be such a damaging condition.  What are you willing to forgive?  The next sensible question then is: what would be unforgivable to you?  Has your love found a way to continue even after such a condition?  That might be closer to "unconditional".

When you start into that territory, things seem to be more murky.  Where are the boundaries between love and obsession?  When does it become a form of self-harm to persist?  The very essence of toxic relationships.

You do the math.

Why would one ask a forum ostensibly full of sociopaths for their view?  Juxtapose it to normies?

Love starts off with two conditions

A man finds a woman physically attractive

And a woman finds a man's masculinity alluring. (voice, personality, behavior, facial attributes linked to survival(personality) not the same as having physically attractive features)

It could also be visa versa but men are not physically built to be extremely attractive to the eye like a woman. Although they can be it's uncommon. 

Yes physical attraction also plays a role in a woman finding a man attractive of course but it's not everything.

Same way a woman's feminine traits play a role but it's not everything yet again.

The point is don't be so fucking ugly as a man and don't be too bitchy as a woman because both of them don't get away with it if it's in it's purest form.

That being said unconditional love is after the allure of the man is fully explored and they accept it and the womans physical attraction is fully explored and they both synergize.

If a man finds a woman irresistibly attractive it's because she's speaking to his 'man' in some way same way that if a woman finds a man's 'man' attractive he's speaking to her 'woman' in some way. 

Don't believe me? Do your research. I'm not saying looks don't matter as a man because they infact do, but they play a much smaller role than it does in a woman.

Women are the looks men are the behavior. 

The way the world turns means that a womans looks can't mean everything and a mans behavior cant mean everything. Meaning that a man must atleast has something good looking about him and a woman must have something about her that isn't completely bitchy. 

Remember that the only time where looks won't matter for a man is if we lived in the stone age or some war torn society where the only safeguard we rely on are masculine indicators rather than a mans face and masculine indicators

But because we live in a society it's actually very important to atleast have something about your face that women will find attractive. It doesn't have to be anything extreme just something that indicates sociability. Otherwise you will literally fail in society.

Unfortunately a woman can still get away with being a complete and total bitch because a pretty face with a pussy will always be wanted but that woman will suffer the ultimate consequence for her bitchiness in the end because yet again we live in a civilization not in a hellscape universe where pure gender typology flourishes.

Unfortunately a pretty face on a man won't work the same magic as it does on a woman. (One example is a pretty face on a man will not reap the same sexual benefits, or even financial benefits a woman with a pretty face would receive.

Synergenic but the opposite systems work not in so opposite ways.

So unconditional love what is it? 

It's where both meet conditions and have a heart throb. They then indulge in that relationship and after some time that conditional love turns unconditional. The prettier the woman and the more manly the man the quicker the love will turn unconditional. 

The synergy creates opposite collisions. A man controls a woman because a woman is a natural bitch and a woman makes a mans 'man' more tolerable because she provided what he fell in love with which is her physical beauty. This turns the man's behavior more nice and makes the woman more bearable.

Of course this is all very primitive and doesn't include anything that is civilized. This is more the very base of it and doesn't include any social factors. This is just the root of woman and man. 

A woman provides beauty to a man and a man provides niceness to a woman. A woman makes a mans behavior beautiful and a man makes a womans face nice.

And that's why civilization turns the way it does. 

Of course this is all speculative theory from all of my observations, experiences and intelligence. and shouldn't be taken seriously because it's a point of view not a hard scientific fact.

If sex is the main focus for a man because sex is a social currency and not just a purely sexual one looks are required. But a pretty face on a complete bitch still gets sex but will become socially disfigured in some way during it's course.

If you do the logical math you will understand exactly what I'm saying.

Matrix said: 

Love starts off with two conditions

A man finds a woman physically attractive

And a woman finds a man's masculinity alluring.

It could also be visa versa but men are not physically built to be extremely attractive to the eye like a wom

Shut the fuck up.

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Love is not what music and movies has people believe it is.

It's not an emotion.

I like a nice curvy ass, and tits, but those things aren't exactly the specialty of the one I love unconditionally.

As mentioned, for no reason she's beautiful to me.

Maninist said: 

Matrix said: 

Love starts off with two conditions

A man finds a woman physically attractive

And a woman finds a man's masculinity alluring.

It could also be visa versa but men are not physically built to be extremely attractive to the eye like a wom

 

Shut the fuck up.

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Love is not what music and movies has people believe it is.

It's not an emotion.

I like a nice curvy ass, and tits, but those things aren't exactly the specialty of the one I love unconditionally.

As mentioned, for no reason she's beautiful to me.

 

 love isn't an emotion it's oxytocin. It's a chemical. love is a collection of emotions that produce oxytocin. Sex is acted upon once love has reached it's boiling point to push it into a further state of happiness and joy and to create a stronger connection. You're right love is not a singular emotion it's a collection of emotions unified under the chemical oxytocin. Women don't produce oxytocin towards the most prettiest face the same way men don't produce oxytocin towards the woman with the best personality. Because in the law of synergy oxytocin is produced in the knowing that those traits will both resolve themselves once love has reached it's climax and has fully combined. Therefor a woman doesn't need to have the best feminine behavior and the man does not need to have the most beautiful face, yes they help. But in both sides do not need to have these traits in there maximum efficiency. 

Behavior for a man is to be a man 'get your hands dirty'. Looks for a woman is to do your makeup correctly.

So you're correct love is not a singular emotion it's a collection of emotions unified under the chemical oxytocin. 

A lot seems conflated entirely with romantic love.  There is platonic love; for friends and family and others outside of sexual interests (genetic proliferation).  It seems that platonic love is often more of the unconditional flavor than what romantic love turns out to be.  Romantic love can turn more jealous and possessive, but there is always that danger.  It is probably this sense of vulnerability that ratchets down on the conditional nature of romantic love, and less so than platonic love.

This might pair well with that erstwhile thread about God's "jealousy".  In that case, it is our bias as humans and mortals and creatures of chemicals, changing emotions, uncertain circumstances, etc., which anthropomorphizes how we understand and envision Divine Love.  God's love is meant as our ideal: the most unconditional.  Even a parent has to temper their love with practical foresight, balancing many needs and wants, which still fosters conditions.  How much moreso for God, then?

Yes it's real because it is an expression of meaningless fatalism.

Yes. Real. 100%