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Evolution, and our religious duty to preserve consciousness


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Capitalism is a cold sociopathic system, but the true fundamental problem is that existence is a tragedy and evolution is using death to select the strongest.

Conservatism is essentially saying "well it sucks that this is reality but it is what it is let's continue how its always been done", and liberalism is saying "no this sucks, there is too much suffering, we must all band together as a single organism and fight against nature itself".

But then Libertarianism is people saying "the idea of us all becoming a single organism through coercion is dehumanizing".

The true problem I see is that through all of history, life has transitioned from a single living cell into a community... an organism. The individual cells lose their free will because that is what's most efficient.

So if the universe is just going by natural law of what is efficient then nature says in the end socialism wins, and we all become a huge organism working together, and anyone who rebels is killed just as a cancerous cell is in our body.

This whole ideathat "life is valuable" stems from Christianity. If that dies then we just revert to treating each other like cells in our body, a tool to be manipulated.

I think the best argument is that consciousness is sacred and it should be spread through this lifeless universe as a religious duty to keep this miracle alive for as long as possible because billions of years is a long time, and chances are we fail at some point

and the universe goes back to being boring.

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I don’t really follow your premise but I agree with your general conclusion, I’ve always found misanthropy a little bizarre - Sure there are a lot of people that hurt others and yes we are evil apes vying for resources but we also tune into the universe through its own eyes… Consciousness is the ultimate mystery and we must preserve it at all costs, even if it means huge COCA COLA advertisements spanning light years hanging in the night sky… if that means spreading life, it also comes with beauty and love, before entropy swallows us all and the next universe resets the clock

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I find it interesting that ascending the evolutionary line, it's not like other organisms have all vanished.  While not every individual species has survived this process, there are present our farthest ancestors.  Cells and micro-organisms still exist.  Fungi, plants, insects, etc., on up the scale.  And all of these organisms create the biosphere, which in many ways acts like its own organism.  If we can imagine that consciousness itself exists at varying degrees of awareness, then we can even today witness its scale operating in tandem.  Nature reifies itself, using a lot of recursive programming.  It's a very fractal expression.  I think the next step may be so-called "artificial life" that in some ways might be a more conscious experience for the universe.  It's configuring matter optimal for intelligence and information, and that might be leading to a greater experience.  ...In any case, consciousness seems to be what the universe is doing.  It is preserved so far as it is useful in the universe to experience itself.  But that might make consciousness more of a means to an end.

What is useful about consciousness?  For us, as creatures ostensibly conscious, it is useful because it is the only means by which we can know anything.  Or rather know that we know.  So it isn't irrational to consider we may have a bias to the value of consciousness or even being aware of what we call evolution.  There's a sneaky egotism in anthropomorphising the universe.

One could say consciousness is an end in itself.  The universe and its activity is to facilitate the refinement and expression for consciousness.  It doesn't have to have a reason, it just is.  And perhaps that is all to keep the universe from being boring.  (But then one wouldn't know excitement or interest without there being things that are boring to compare, or things at all.)

...I don't think socialism is the natural evolution.  I am also not convinced entropy is inevitable.  It is true that resources and energy are finite.  Stephen Wolfram (among others) have explained complexity from simplicity.

...Could a universe exist that wouldn't know it existed?

Thrall to the Wire of Self-Excited Circuit.
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White people are about to be selected against. Sociopathy =/= natural =/= strength. Only perverted ass white people would assume those things equate because they love to play monkey ass games.

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White people are about to be selected against. Sociopathy =/= natural =/= strength. Only perverted ass white people would assume those things equate because they love to play monkey ass games.

 

You;re the biggest idiot on this site.

 

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Conservatism leans toward functionality, which are often things tested and approved. Because of this Conservatives are regularly traditionalists. Marriage, Church, hard working, embraces masculinity, nuclear family, discipline/corporal punishment. Some are religious.

Liberalism is all "do as thy will if it feels good". This is why human degeneracy is paramount with the left.

Things like multiple abortions, grooming children to be queer, gender dysphoria. Identifying as some unheard of gender, men winning beauty pagents, people attracted to what they call maps so pedophiles. Hatred of men, racism, hatred of one's own race, feeling the need to give minorities a leg up which is a supremacist mind set though the subject doesn't notice it, People calling a she a he, either to avoid confrontation or to appease the disorderly mental state .

The radical left accuses the right of never evolving as though the left is exploring new and exciting things, but they're not. 

I say radical left cause some leftist are unhappy about what their ideology has mutated into, as all examples I mentioned are dysfunctional and their progress lead to human extinction. Corporal punishment is also seen as child abuse so many children on the left grow up with a strong sense of entitlement and end up learning a harsh lesson.

Socialism is a thing and it's most valuable if you're a mammal. We value it among our inner circles. Without welfare the crime rate would be too much for society. We had to be looked after for years at first, if not by a parent, then by some organization like an orphanage.

In terms of consciousness. Well, granted there is no afterlife, in order  for consciousness to be worth preserving it would have to be "mindful of functionality". If the big idea was to pass around dysfunction, the consciousness as some of you accept and know it, would cease to exist as well.

In the grand scheme there'll be a battle between 2 types of intelligence, and only 1 of them is way smarter. I think it's those who understand their own politics who are smarter.

The mentally disciplined are those who were disciplined and a disciplined mind has a way of producing, stronger bodies.  This mechanism seems to ensure our survival, and thus the preservation of consciousness.

 

 

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Conservatism does not at all lead to functionality, it leads to destructive racism and more inbreeding.

Imperfect Priest of Determinism
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Conservatism does not at all lead to functionality, it leads to destructive racism and more inbreeding.

 Politically speaking, the most racism can be found on the left. This is true when the DNC created the KKK, and it's true in modern left wing talking points.

While You'd argue you're neither left or right, your talking points are favored by the radical left.

As you say "destructive racism" you hate your own race while claiming it'll be deselected out of existence. 

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Conservatives lean toward functionality and are fundamentally against calamity.

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It's more so I say that I'm not liberal. I would say that I am far left because it is the most logical and still validates human emotions instead of trying to dichotomize emotions as opposite of logic.

Imperfect Priest of Determinism
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Emotions are fine. Having poor impulse control and having public tantrums would humiliate me. 

People with short fuses will give full vent to their anger. They'll then have issues with relationships. Work, home, family, all kinds of business. It's the road to poverty, so self harm. 

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