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As benjiskilled once said, "I'm squeezing my hog to this. Gonna keep doing it even if you ban me."

Spitting on someone is a sign of disrespect and it's dominant behaviour. I love seeing attractive women get off on being dominant, almost as much as I like seeing submissive sluts puke on cocks. So, that's one reason I want to serve a woman; to see her get off on being dominant, because it's relatable.

This is gold. 

The reaction of this place, saying spit fetish is degeneracy stirs controversy. Fucking freaks lmao.

To make the stance clear, mild to low levels of bdsm are instinctual and aren't anything out of the ordinary. These acts are natural and prevalent inmost mammalian courtship. However, the severity of sexual deviancy is a strong indicator of someones mental state. The further it goes out in excess, the more trauma or genuine chemical inbalance there tends to be. 

When most fetishes get severe mental illness, imbalance or trauma are at work. In BDSM especially, if you are a dungeon master that needs to dress in all black and whip people tied up for a sense of power and arousal, you should work on your self esteem issues. If you're a person who needs to be tied up, abused, degraded and spat on to be aroused, you should reevaluate your self worth and also work on your self esteem issues. Again, I highly stress it is a severity issue, there is nothing wrong with appreciating a healthy power dynamic in a relationship

On the specific topic of spitting, I find it on the more severe end of degradation and if being degraded in an extreme manner arouses you sexually, you have issues. If you are sexually attracted to spitting on people, you have issues. Let me also say spit itself is not the issue here, it's the act of forcefully spitting and shamefully being spat on that is the emphasis here. 

tl:dr you're all sick kuffar

Kestrel said: 

This is gold. 

The reaction of this place, saying spit fetish is degeneracy stirs controversy. Fucking freaks lmao. 

I mean you already know quite well what kind of freak I am. 

It's why I only use myself as an example for when people claim it's compensation for trauma; I had no trauma and I still came out like this, or rather the one real trauma came long after my kinks did (the trauma made me hate kink for a little bit actually, as I saw it as how I could be abused). I however from a predisposition in my brain chemistry and nature fit quite well into a Bratty Masochist model without any overtly exterior conditioning leading me to this point, and a lot of my freedoms there came from no longer shaming who I was and turning away from the passive shaming of the cultural template norm. 

Who's to say many other "degenerates" aren't themselves this way not as a matter of one's acquired nurture, but instead as one's baseline nature, and what renders their differences in taste lesser, it's uncommonality and diverging aspects from the culturally established template norm? Therapy for instance wouldn't make me suddenly deny my fetishes, if anything psychological evaluation has made them kinkier as I grow to understand myself further and feel less shame over the things that I happen to enjoy. 

It's all a matter of perspective, and it'd take very little for a culture to even try to redefine what vanilla is to them. 

To make the stance clear, mild to low levels of bdsm are instinctual and aren't anything out of the ordinary. These acts are natural and prevalent inmost mammalian courtship.

So it's natural to want to be peed on as long as it's mild to low levels of it, for most mammals? 

However, the severity of sexual deviancy is a strong indicator of someones mental state. The further it goes out in excess, the more trauma or genuine chemical inbalance there tends to be. 

Again, my earlier rant about stress relief and why this shows higher amounts of disordered or traumatized people. 

Ever meet a nymphomaniac before? They are basically a walking calling card of outlet desires without any other overt issues being the reason for it. People have differing levels of libido, and as their range gets higher so too does their needs to "feel complete". Like really, what do you do if you're having tons of sex and you still find yourself thirsty? If your dick is tired and chaffed, but your mind is just getting started? Pleasure need not be just dick assault on one's vagina, as there's so much more room than that for pleasure. 

Considering your struggles with finishing, I'm surprised you wouldn't be getting deeper into kink naturally. Most people who find orgasm difficult to achieve are the typical fare for kink communities, as their thirst mounts on itself even in spite of their access to sex. It's effectively like having a built in drug tolerance that needs more specifics to get their fix. They even ooze more pheromones, reflect more raw physicality, and otherwise lead to a "crazier" time that's far more elating and memorable than just the procreative mambo. 

It's hard for my thirst to be quenched, my libido is at points through the roof in ways that "just sex" won't help. While sex is majority mental, normal people often need help with passing their sexual thresholds into pleasure as well. I've also found it very, very easy to get "normies" into kink, lending to me that it's more normal than culture makes it out to be and that a lot of "normies" not being as kinky in overall appearance is over them keeping secrets and judging themselves excessively. 

If there was less shame centered on the notion of kink, we'd see a lot more kinky people (as we're seeing with subculturalism within the internet). Disordered and trauma types can often be the squeaky wheel from how hard it can be for them to not communicate their shit, but "normal otherwise functional people" can be kinky as fuck, especially if they're bottlers, but have an easier time keeping it in the bedroom. 

When most fetishes get severe mental illness, imbalance or trauma are at work. In BDSM especially, if you are a dungeon master that needs to dress in all black and whip people tied up for a sense of power and arousal, you should work on your self esteem issues.

More media exaggeration based on archetypes and expectations upon cultural template norms.

As much as I have definitely seen my share of "Weak Doms", aka power compensators, I've seen plenty who are into this without being total freaks otherwise (and who are total freaks in ways that compliment the idea, even socially when it comes to their peers). 

If you're a person who needs to be tied up, abused, degraded and spat on to be aroused, you should reevaluate your self worth and also work on your self esteem issues. Again, I highly stress it is a severity issue, there is nothing wrong with appreciating a healthy power dynamic in a relationship. 

What's there for someone like myself to reevaluate for instance? 

I know self-directing is the key to looking butthurt in a conversation, but I feel like I'm a decent example at least as a starting point. 

On the specific topic of spitting, I find it on the more severe end of degradation and if being degraded in an extreme manner arouses you sexually, you have issues.

What if they don't take it as an extreme act, or what if the one spitting wasn't trying to be a dick? Shine is considered attractive on flesh, and saliva is one of many ways of accomplishing that. 

There's also people who are into having their lady spit on their dick before lathering it with their hand. Is that degrading to you? 

I feel like spit isn't just a matter of context, but also a matter of personal perceptions. Not everyone's going to be as overtly offended by being spat on as you, as your triggering from it seems to be more related to your direct contexts than anything otherwise universal. You don't like to feel disrespected, but not everyone feels as disrespected as you for being spat on, even for those who don't cross into the territory of otherwise enjoying it. 

Someone spitting on me in a fight would be closer to like "Ewwwww gross who does that?", a matter of germs and questioning their behavior instead of an ego trip. 

If you are sexually attracted to spitting on people, you have issues. Let me also say spit itself is not the issue here, it's the act of forcefully spitting and shamefully being spat on that is the emphasis here. 

Is spitting on someone really that different from cumming on their face? 

Also have you heard of Kink Therapy? It seems to really help a lot of people more than most forms of it. 

What you call degeneracy I call freedom, creativity, and psychological understanding of a rough form. Why limit yourself when there's so much more that life has to offer? 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said: 

This is gold. 

The reaction of this place, saying spit fetish is degeneracy stirs controversy. Fucking freaks lmao. 

I mean you already know quite well what kind of freak I am. 

Yes, and with all this effort it took to copy this down from chat, repost it into an entire thread and write a page on this matter you overlooked the core point of my stance. That severe kinks are almost always a sign of not just trauma, but mental illness and chemical imbalance. Which you have

So it's natural to want to be peed on as long as it's mild to low levels of it, for most mammals? 

Being pissed on categorizes as on the severe end of bdsm for me. The idea that you see being pissed on as a low level kink is disturbing to say the least, it's inches away from scat.

However, the severity of sexual deviancy is a strong indicator of someones mental state. The further it goes out in excess, the more trauma or genuine chemical inbalance there tends to be. 

Again, my earlier rant about stress relief and why this shows higher amounts of disordered or traumatized people. 

Ever meet a nymphomaniac before? They are basically a walking calling card of outlet desires without any other overt issues being the reason for it. People have differing levels of libido, and as their range gets higher so too does their needs to "feel complete". Like really, what do you do if you're having tons of sex and you still find yourself thirsty? If your dick is tired and chaffed, but your mind is just getting started? Pleasure need not be just dick assault on one's vagina, as there's so much more room than that for pleasure. 

There are pills to lower your sex drive, I'd highly recommend them to nymphomaniacs as well as therapy. Having a sexual appetite to the point of addiction is unhealthy.

Considering your struggles with finishing, I'm surprised you wouldn't be getting deeper into kink naturally. Most people who find orgasm difficult to achieve are the typical fare for kink communities, as their thirst mounts on itself even in spite of their access to sex. It's effectively like having a built in drug tolerance that needs more specifics to get their fix. They even ooze more pheromones, reflect more raw physicality, and otherwise lead to a "crazier" time that's far more elating and memorable than just the procreative mambo. 

Sex is an indulgence like any other, there's no need to push into it further than natural impulses imo. After that you're getting diminishing returns and increasing levels of vulgarity that would lessen the stimuli of casual/vanilla sex.

 

It's hard for my thirst to be quenched, my libido is at points through the roof in ways that "just sex" won't help. While sex is majority mental, normal people often need help with passing their sexual thresholds into pleasure as well. I've also found it very, very easy to get "normies" into kink, lending to me that it's more normal than culture makes it out to be and that a lot of "normies" not being as kinky in overall appearance is over them keeping secrets and judging themselves excessively. 

If there was less shame centered on the notion of kink, we'd see a lot more kinky people (as we're seeing with subculturalism within the internet). Disordered and trauma types can often be the squeaky wheel from how hard it can be for them to not communicate their shit, but "normal otherwise functional people" can be kinky as fuck, especially if they're bottlers, but have an easier time keeping it in the bedroom.

I'm 100% against the idea of kinks being more socially acceptable as it doesn't help the people with these issues that actually have kinks while indoctrinating impressionable masses of people, especially underaged ones into this mess. 50 shades of grey is the perfect example, im sure the BDSM community doubled within a year. I think if any awareness is to be spread, it is the link between fetishes and mental illness. 

 

When most fetishes get severe mental illness, imbalance or trauma are at work. In BDSM especially, if you are a dungeon master that needs to dress in all black and whip people tied up for a sense of power and arousal, you should work on your self esteem issues.

More media exaggeration based on archetypes and expectations upon cultural template norms.

As much as I have definitely seen my share of "Weak Doms", aka power compensators, I've seen plenty who are into this without being total freaks otherwise (and who are total freaks in ways that compliment the idea, even socially when it comes to their peers). 

If you have a power fantasy in either direction that is so latent that it comes out as a sexual impulse, you aren't secure with yourself

 

 

Turncoat said: 

What's there for someone like myself to reevaluate for instance? 

I know self-directing is the key to looking butthurt in a conversation, but I feel like I'm a decent example at least as a starting point. 

How your mental imbalances could predispose you to low self esteem issues and complicate them.

On the specific topic of spitting, I find it on the more severe end of degradation and if being degraded in an extreme manner arouses you sexually, you have issues.

What if they don't take it as an extreme act, or what if the one spitting wasn't trying to be a dick? Shine is considered attractive on flesh, and saliva is one of many ways of accomplishing that. 

There's also people who are into having their lady spit on their dick before lathering it with their hand. Is that degrading to you? 

I feel like spit isn't just a matter of context, but also a matter of personal perceptions. Not everyone's going to be as overtly offended by being spat on as you, as your triggering from it seems to be more related to your direct contexts than anything otherwise universal. You don't like to feel disrespected, but not everyone feels as disrespected as you for being spat on, even for those who don't cross into the territory of otherwise enjoying it. 

Someone spitting on me in a fight would be closer to like "Ewwwww gross who does that?", a matter of germs and questioning their behavior instead of an ego trip. 

Stop trying to get into spitting semantics. This is about the main form of spit fetish and the one that was discussed. Which is being attracted to being degradingly spat on. 

If you are sexually attracted to spitting on people, you have issues. Let me also say spit itself is not the issue here, it's the act of forcefully spitting and shamefully being spat on that is the emphasis here. 

Is spitting on someone really that different from cumming on their face? 

Also have you heard of Kink Therapy? It seems to really help a lot of people more than most forms of it. 

What you call degeneracy I call freedom, creativity, and psychological understanding of a rough form. Why limit yourself when there's so much more that life has to offer? 

 Hedonism is always presented as freedom, when in reality you are training yourself to be chained to indulgent impulses. Limiting yourself is a vital skill, you can partake in many things without going overboard and suffering the negative consequences/imprinting from doing so

*spits on tc*

Kestrel said: 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said: 

This is gold. 

The reaction of this place, saying spit fetish is degeneracy stirs controversy. Fucking freaks lmao. 

I mean you already know quite well what kind of freak I am. 

Yes, and with all this effort it took to copy this down from chat, repost it into an entire thread and write a page on this matter you overlooked the core point of my stance.

While this really wasn't that hard and does not break my usual copy/paste protocol, I think putting effort into something is good, not bad, and it has still opened the room for discussion as I figured it might. 

Why should someone consequently be praised for being lazy instead? I'd rather be known as the guy that puts in a genuine effort instead of the one that just deflects everything. 

That severe kinks are almost always a sign of not just trauma, but mental illness and chemical imbalance. Which you have

Okay I'm going to need a few things hashed out for me here before I can continue discussing this portion: 

1) What qualifies something as a "Severe Kink"? Does what I'm into qualify as "severe", since you then draw me into it with "Which you have"? Beyond having me fall into the label you're leaving it somewhat vague for where lines are being drawn. 

2) The "Trauma" element doesn't apply to me, as it came later than the kinks and the trauma itself repressed my kink as opposed to enhancing it. It's as I recovered from it that I started to get it back. As a result, wouldn't it make more sense to argue not that trauma specifically brings out kinks, but that anything can, and that what largely holds people back is a sense of peer modeling off of template norms? 

3) I do agree that some kinks are indeed a response to trauma, but how many of them really fall into that blanket statement? I'd argue that the majority of them aren't, and that many kinks can seemingly contrast the lives they lived and their perceived sense of self. As I stated earlier, higher libido requirements bring more specific tastes out of people, relieving libido relieves stress, and as a result the mentally ill and traumatized tend to be The Squeaky Wheel. As such, it could be rationalized that an otherwise normal business person under high levels of stress might seek out outlets that strongly contrast the lives they're normally living for "kink novelty" if not an outlet. 


For clarity though, mine's arguably the result of a physical problem, not a mental one. How I perceive pain is taken as pleasure physically as opposed to me rationalizing why pain is good, resulting from a physical defect present. It's about as much of a "mental illness" as being colorblind or albino. 

I'll concede "chemical imbalance" from figuring that's the closest we'll be able to bridge our points about "High Energy People". In spite how how someone can be hyper as fuck without any apparent disorders, it is by relative comparison a "chemical imbalance" when compared to the template norm just as much as general laziness could consequently be seen as that. 

So it's natural to want to be peed on as long as it's mild to low levels of it, for most mammals? 

Being pissed on categorizes as on the severe end of bdsm for me. The idea that you see being pissed on as a low level kink is disturbing to say the least, it's inches away from scat. 

I was asking you, since your idea of gauging scale was otherwise undefined. 

I find it gross purely out of germophobia, and how much I judge them is a reflection on that. It's not that it's deviantly kinky when I'm appraising it, IT'S FUCKING UNSANITARY. 

However, the severity of sexual deviancy is a strong indicator of someones mental state. The further it goes out in excess, the more trauma or genuine chemical inbalance there tends to be. 

Again, my earlier rant about stress relief and why this shows higher amounts of disordered or traumatized people. 

Ever meet a nymphomaniac before? They are basically a walking calling card of outlet desires without any other overt issues being the reason for it. People have differing levels of libido, and as their range gets higher so too does their needs to "feel complete". Like really, what do you do if you're having tons of sex and you still find yourself thirsty? If your dick is tired and chaffed, but your mind is just getting started? Pleasure need not be just dick assault on one's vagina, as there's so much more room than that for pleasure. 

There are pills to lower your sex drive, I'd highly recommend them to nymphomaniacs as well as therapy. Having a sexual appetite to the point of addiction is unhealthy. 

Have you looked into what that shit does to people? Saying "You just need some pills" is fucking awful imo. 

I dated one, and it worked out from how I could keep up with her, which ultimately liberated her and had her feel strong in spite of cultural judgement. The only part that was really an issue with it for her was the clash of her raised family values versus her body's wants and desires, as well as an opinion that was forming for her as "sexism vs males" from formerly feeling like her appetites had them "using her". 

If you were to ignore the room for pregnancy and diseases, what's otherwise wrong with it beyond cultural stigma? An enlightened nymphomaniac who handles things responsibly does not seem degenerate to me, but rather counter-culture. 

If a nymphomaniac were to find someone with satyriasis, the problem goes away, showing it to be more of a matter of pursued symmetry than anything wrong beyond being an uncommon extreme. Once she eventually got married and had kids a lot of the problems went away from her setting adjusting to allow for them within reasonable constraints, and this never involved the pursuit of therapy nor cramming a bunch of pills. 

Honestly, a legion of gaslit people on pills is far more degenerate than just being yourself. 

Kestrel said: 

Turncoat said: 

Considering your struggles with finishing, I'm surprised you wouldn't be getting deeper into kink naturally. Most people who find orgasm difficult to achieve are the typical fare for kink communities, as their thirst mounts on itself even in spite of their access to sex. It's effectively like having a built in drug tolerance that needs more specifics to get their fix. They even ooze more pheromones, reflect more raw physicality, and otherwise lead to a "crazier" time that's far more elating and memorable than just the procreative mambo. 

Sex is an indulgence like any other, there's no need to push into it further than natural impulses imo. After that you're getting diminishing returns and increasing levels of vulgarity that would lessen the stimuli of casual/vanilla sex.

This is like saying it's the same to eat Chef Boyardee as it is to eat a homecooked meal doused in exotic spices, which is fundamentally absurd if you're not eventually going to argue with me the merits of eating only rice with a single small piece of meat every week/month. 

There's a lot of people where what you call "diminishing returns" is instead their baseline, their aforementioned "Natural Impulses", and their increased appetites do not reflect less kink with an increased desire towards vanilla but rather more as they become increasingly sexually bottled. To have them not go through these preferences is asking them to resign themselves to a life of mediocre shitty sex while having to carry on compensating over otherwise potentially doable desires through guilt enforcement. 

You argue as if all kink is acquired, while I'd argue the majority of them are sewn into their very being, otherwise largely repressed from normies wanting to fit in and expressed by the mentally ill through their inability to do so. 

Again man, the 50 Shades of Grey crowd's not the BDSM one (in fact BDSM culture hates that shit and has tons of papers about what's wrong with it), but rather one of normies with unfulfilled desires. 

It's hard for my thirst to be quenched, my libido is at points through the roof in ways that "just sex" won't help. While sex is majority mental, normal people often need help with passing their sexual thresholds into pleasure as well. I've also found it very, very easy to get "normies" into kink, lending to me that it's more normal than culture makes it out to be and that a lot of "normies" not being as kinky in overall appearance is over them keeping secrets and judging themselves excessively. 

If there was less shame centered on the notion of kink, we'd see a lot more kinky people (as we're seeing with subculturalism within the internet). Disordered and trauma types can often be the squeaky wheel from how hard it can be for them to not communicate their shit, but "normal otherwise functional people" can be kinky as fuck, especially if they're bottlers, but have an easier time keeping it in the bedroom.

I'm 100% against the idea of kinks being more socially acceptable as it doesn't help the people with these issues that actually have kinks while indoctrinating impressionable masses of people, especially underaged ones into this mess.

The only thing there that's of actual objectivity is the "underaged ageplay". A lot of kink isn't related to this though and serves to demonize the entire lump sum over how a few abuse the label. 

I'd argue that kinks help people get through their shit much more than repressing them. When a person is truly elated through sexual pleasure they're a mess of chemical releases that render them all chill and truth-serumy, which makes it extra easy to access their life issues and resolve them through "Aftercare Therapy". 

50 shades of grey is the perfect example, im sure the BDSM community doubled within a year.

50 Shades is to Bronies as BDSM is to furries. It just touches the surface of what it's about and it has a ton of differences expressed through errors and misconceptions. 

While the "community" might be larger, that is more of a reflection of it opening their minds to the possibilities of things already inherent within themselves as opposed to some form of overt brainwashing. Blaming 50 shades for "kink being on the rise" is like blaming Disney for the increase in animal totemism as self expression; While both can expose them to the idea, something about them that had them fall into it was already inherently there prior, and likely would have found itself elsewhere later if it weren't there. 

We need exposure to knowledge so that people can truly try to be themselves. The notion of aiming to conform to a single template norm is largely responsible for a lot of disorder in itself, having people like you actually serve to push Kink Culture further than a society that otherwise accepts it as a general thing. 

I think if any awareness is to be spread, it is the link between fetishes and mental illness. 

I explained that, it just raises squeaky wheels and predispositions. The notion of kink is otherwise naturally within us all as much as sexual preferences are. 

When most fetishes get severe mental illness, imbalance or trauma are at work. In BDSM especially, if you are a dungeon master that needs to dress in all black and whip people tied up for a sense of power and arousal, you should work on your self esteem issues.

More media exaggeration based on archetypes and expectations upon cultural template norms.

As much as I have definitely seen my share of "Weak Doms", aka power compensators, I've seen plenty who are into this without being total freaks otherwise (and who are total freaks in ways that compliment the idea, even socially when it comes to their peers). 

If you have a power fantasy in either direction that is so latent that it comes out as a sexual impulse, you aren't secure with yourself

How so? 

Kestrel said: 

Turncoat said: 

 What's there for someone like myself to reevaluate for instance? 

I know self-directing is the key to looking butthurt in a conversation, but I feel like I'm a decent example at least as a starting point. 

How your mental imbalances could predispose you to low self esteem issues and complicate them. 

Would you say low self esteem is unnatural? 

I'd say the focus on "leadership qualities" and "high self esteem" for every individual is unnatural, the byproduct of cultural conditioning. To expect everyone to be a leader is absurd, and if everyone is a leader we end up with Bioshock's Rapture on our hands. 

On the specific topic of spitting, I find it on the more severe end of degradation and if being degraded in an extreme manner arouses you sexually, you have issues.

What if they don't take it as an extreme act, or what if the one spitting wasn't trying to be a dick? Shine is considered attractive on flesh, and saliva is one of many ways of accomplishing that. 

There's also people who are into having their lady spit on their dick before lathering it with their hand. Is that degrading to you? 

I feel like spit isn't just a matter of context, but also a matter of personal perceptions. Not everyone's going to be as overtly offended by being spat on as you, as your triggering from it seems to be more related to your direct contexts than anything otherwise universal. You don't like to feel disrespected, but not everyone feels as disrespected as you for being spat on, even for those who don't cross into the territory of otherwise enjoying it. 

Someone spitting on me in a fight would be closer to like "Ewwwww gross who does that?", a matter of germs and questioning their behavior instead of an ego trip. 

Stop trying to get into spitting semantics. This is about the main form of spit fetish and the one that was discussed. Which is being attracted to being degradingly spat on. 

I just see it as weird from that not being my thing. If another dude likes being spat on, I think that's less deviant than going nuts over someone's socks. 

If you are sexually attracted to spitting on people, you have issues. Let me also say spit itself is not the issue here, it's the act of forcefully spitting and shamefully being spat on that is the emphasis here. 

Is spitting on someone really that different from cumming on their face? 

Also have you heard of Kink Therapy? It seems to really help a lot of people more than most forms of it. 

What you call degeneracy I call freedom, creativity, and psychological understanding of a rough form. Why limit yourself when there's so much more that life has to offer? 

Hedonism is always presented as freedom, when in reality you are training yourself to be chained to indulgent impulses. Limiting yourself is a vital skill, you can partake in many things without going overboard and suffering the negative consequences/imprinting from doing so

This sounds like more repression justification based on culturally ingrained conservatism. 

You only live once, and I think the only real limiting factor worth looking at is if the build can or can't be sustained. It was my argument against your character assessment of Champ while we were traveling.