Lmao you tenacious little rascal *ruffles tc hair* aren't you just a lil rogue you? you scallywag *brushes against your butt* oops haha
This isn't even close to all of it either.
You don't think Ed and I's constant back and forth contributed towards his deterioration?
I do, however it was not intentional on your end, there was no agenda behind what you did except your own amusement. You were being yourself, arguing with people about whatever, as you are here.
By your logic, anyone who's ever successfully trolled Loona or a mod contributed to the conspiracy, this is just not how it is.
I also spammed or otherwise did anti-Luna antics on S-C long before 2019, both as a mod and as a user, and otherwise took advantage of issues with the website itself in order to force Luna's hand. While my goals pre-2019 were meant to force Luna to improve herself and the website, it did instead contribute towards it's eventual self-destruction. I felt like her ego problems and laziness needed to be struck hard for the website to improve, and every so often that took me attacking our own site on puppets as self-demonstration and then us both fixing it once she noticed.
She also did not like having the mod that kept things under control constantly undermining her and supporting the people she did not respect instead of her. She also hated when I'd quote her from other platforms and otherwise cause a stir in the community when she'd rather they just left her alone. My defending Jim was also something she could not ignore, and she constantly referred to me as some sort of rival figure. With how often she was looking for an excuse to demod me at multiple points, bickers and complains about me unprovoked even these days compared to how often she rants about you...
All nice and fine, but it's just not relevant to the conspiracy that led us to be here.
Well, I suppose it's a matter of perspective.
Well, you people bent over for Loona and took it up the asses for years. I came and changed everything.
Side note: I had written a much longer post in reply to you, but lost it for reasons. This is short in comparison yet should get the points across.
I see TC and Jim as being the main catalysts behind Luna's demise from the outside, while TPG and I were the figures that played from within. As for the rest, responsibilities vary even more based on perspective, like TC just said.
You're irrelevant and know nothing about what happened behind the stage. Stop pretending to be otherwise on this subject.
Cawk I feel like you really want to cement yourself as being the single most crucial player (which you're not)
Jim and I hands down made the most impact. Cry about it as much as you'd like, it will not change the truth.
and the louder you yell for it, the less inclined people are to think it.
I preserve history, because you retards aren't capable to.
Truth of the matter is, it was a largely uncoordinated group effort that went on intuition.
You're wrong again.
Jim and I plotted a lot on what to do next to SC, with others too. And we still had 1 thing that we were thinking of pulling on S-C, but by the time we got around to it, Luna already had taken it down.
You 2019 plotters ain't even real plotters. Just faggots who enjoyed trolling Loona/mods for entertainment, without deeper plan.
Xadem said:Truth of the matter is, it was a largely uncoordinated group effort that went on intuition. It didn't take a genius to figure out that Luna would crack.
As it's always been, yes. It's not like she'd completely rebuilt herself after our attacks before "The Conspiracy", she went through a series of losses that ultimately changed her piece by piece into something that strongly contradicts her older message. This isn't something that could just be done overnight, Luna is slow, so it took a lot of time and effort from multiple iterations of this forum's culture to ultimately break her down.
She fled her own forum repeatedly, coming back worse for ware, her mind increasingly scattered, harder to appeal to, and more readily triggered every time. She used to be afraid of banning someone, but then after enough O.G. S-C triggering she snapped, but was only confident banning women. Of course my bringing this up made me her first male ban to prove a point. 
She became a more clever monster as she learned how to stop caring so much, but as she became more clever she also became more vulnerable to attacks. As she waited people out as newer people came in, they didn't know the original rebellious culture and integrated into it after seeing the old cast worn down from years of it. It's no mystery why Luna showing the signs of giving up excited people and largely led to an extinction burst of activity ready to witness her demise. Once it was finally down people's behavior somewhat exploded before settling into something closer to where we are now.
This was Luna before S-C got to her:
Young Luna said:"The idea of "power" by exerting it over other people is delusional"
"I will say that I'm almost certain that man shouldn't be admired for his ability to manipulate. Rather, he should be considered stupid for coming to such an absurd conclusion that exerting control over other individuals might bring him some type of power over his or own life."
"Just don't begin to expect things. At that point you would be spoiled."
"Then again, you weren't very in control of your emotions by striking him back. Hitting back doesn't help solve the problem. Instead, I think it would have been better to back away."
"You know, if you instead of attacking back, simply let him "win" he will both be able to keep his ego so he doesn't feel resentment toward you, and also, you men would stop propagating this idea that it's honorable to attack someone who attacks you first."
"This boy thinks he's clever because people he treats badly are nice to him, and he can get away with it."
"I think perhaps your parents were very controlling when you were a child, and as a result, you took pleasure in following their example and exerting power over things (though quite a bit smaller) yourself. Now it's just become habit. You think it's explained because you're a oh-so-cool sociopath, who, like batman's enemy (what's his name?) loves chaos, and death, and suffering."
"Imagine for one moment that you are an individual being who was born into this world, and from that point, your mind has been receiving external data from the world around you which make up your experiences, and very likely personality.
That individual would be very delusional, don't you think? To only have seen things his or her own life from their own point of view. I think, if they were truly transcended, they would look back and say, wow, what an idiot I am."
"Sir Ma'am, you are a pessimist. Have faith in humans!"
This all went away once people began to pick at her. Her ideology shifted into one of sheer narcissistic compensation, kicking into high gear past where we'd already begun once M.E. Thomas decided not to pay Luna for her forum. Her idealist rhetoric stuck around longer than her actual idealism, which made for strange displays when she'd try to attack other forums as transference (and there were quite a few). As time went on and she got older, her writing actually for a period got worse instead of better.
To her credit, Luna is not a quick one to crack, she's one that had to be worn down over a long, long period of time through being too blind and stubborn to perceive enough build up to break her down faster. A large part of what had so many broken down was the idea that she'd never break, but some of us could see the little pieces of progress adding up towards where she is today as her essence darkened from exposure.
Instead of some lone gunman hurling CP links at the crowd, we used to form a lynch mob. How the forum finally died felt a lot more like the old days, it was amazing to see people finally empowered enough to talk down to her. CP in some ways actually gave Luna allies for a while (until her incompetence caught up with her and Edvard's charisma ran out), while making it about more structural problems allowed everyone to lend a hand.
To her credit, Luna is not a quick one to crack [broken quote window]
She had old-cast faggots as mods who validated and supported her power trips: Tony, Eduard and Inquirer namely. If these idiots didn't sell out, she would've taken down the site much sooner. Loona is one to crack quickly, she just had a lot of support.
Btw, if Inquirer's mod position wasn't purely for PR here, I would definitely NOT be okay with the mod team the way it currently is. Either I'd suggest Inquirer to be demodded or one person who's cool with the pedo gang to be made mod in order to compensate for it, so history doesn't repeat itself. Even aubrieta would make a better mod than him.
Instead of some lone gunman hurling CP links at the crowd, we used to form a lynch mob. How the forum finally died felt a lot more like the old days, it was amazing to see people finally empowered enough to talk down to her. CP in some ways actually gave Luna allies for a while, while making it about more structural problems allowed everyone to lend a hand.
What was done to Loona prior to the CP phase doesn't matter. She recovered from all of it. You had years with the help of the old-cast, kiwis and who not to break down Loona and you didn't succeed. It was only when I came by Loona was inflicted mortal wounds.
What started to cause her to break down into deleting S-C and afterwards trying to prevent the community from recovering, was CP. She's only returned because she failed to prevent the community, or specifically, people who sucked her ass from regrouping after taking down the site, she tries to make the best out of it and poach them now.
Her words: i am okay with 99% of people here. but disgusting photos posted as shock art... and people talking about molesting kids are just too extreme for me. odd you think exposing yourself to that kind of stuff is something to be proud of
To her credit, Luna is not a quick one to crack
She had old-cast faggots as mods who validated and supported her power trips: Tony, Eduard and Inquirer namely.
Spatial was diplomatic with her from the start and did private communications using some weird Chinese version of AOL, Edvard was always buttering up her ego and could have been made mod directly after TK, and Inquirer was a "people's choice" option that she felt like she could control.
There was a time before she had mods, and a variety of reasons she's had for picking them. Angee was even mod once.
If these idiots didn't sell out, she would've taken down the site much sooner. Loona is one to crack quickly, she just had a lot of support.
You saw her after much of the damages were done. You aren't wrong, but she adopted that much moderation as a last resort from being driven that close. It completely contradicted everything she stood for to have that many people trying to run the place in her stead...
...and it felt pretty good, from the pettier parts of my mindset, to see them struggling to handle things that shouldn't have been that difficult while stuck between the conflict and Luna's temper. CP frustrates them but motivates them to work as a team, while the social game was a way to play on their natural dramatics and split them into separate camps that eventually stopped trying as hard in relation to each other.
Btw, if Inquirer's mod position wasn't purely for PR here, I would definitely NOT be okay with the mod team the way it currently is. Either I'd suggest Inquirer to be demodded or one person who's cool with the pedo gang to be made mod in order to compensate for it, so history doesn't repeat itself. Even aubrieta would make a better mod than him.
He's still "people's choice", and he has a record people trust now. He's also involved with Good for site stuff, so he's pretty nestled in here as a liaison.
I haven't had any problems with him since Luna and Edvard stopped being a factor.
Instead of some lone gunman hurling CP links at the crowd, we used to form a lynch mob. How the forum finally died felt a lot more like the old days, it was amazing to see people finally empowered enough to talk down to her. CP in some ways actually gave Luna allies for a while, while making it about more structural problems allowed everyone to lend a hand.
What was done to Loona prior to the CP phase doesn't matter. She recovered from all of it. You had years with the help of the old-cast to break down Loona and you didn't succeed. It was only when I came by Loona was inflicted mortal wounds.
You and I have very different views on what constitutes "recovery".
I think this goes back to our preferences towards poisons vs swords.
What started to cause her to break down into deleting S-C and afterwards trying to prevent the community from recovering, was CP. She only came back because she failed to accomplished that, so she tries to make the best out of it and poach users.
Her words: i am okay with 99% of people here. but disgusting photos posted as shock art... and people talking about molesting kids are just too extreme for me. odd you think exposing yourself to that kind of stuff is something to be proud of
You are incapable of seeing beyond your own contribution, and you seem to only want to look at it if it seems loud instead of subtle. Your methods if they were enough wouldn't have just wrecked the forum, but potentially the community as well. Luna also with this was able to scapegoat it as a single source (1%), while when it's the entire group she struggles more to find scapegoats to rationalize her present moment. (It also makes for better storytelling.)
Negative attention is like fire to her. She panics and suddenly starts acting stupid. CP only really got to her once Edvard charged into her PMs and made a ruckus about it.
To her credit, Luna is not a quick one to crack
She had old-cast faggots as mods who validated and supported her power trips: Tony, Eduard and Inquirer namely.
Spatial was diplomatic with her from the start and did private communications using some weird Chinese version of AOL, Edvard was always buttering up her ego and could have been made mod directly after TK, and Inquirer was a "people's choice" option that she felt like she could control.
There was a time before she had mods, and a variety of reasons she's had for picking them. Angee was even mod once.If these idiots didn't sell out, she would've taken down the site much sooner. Loona is one to crack quickly, she just had a lot of support.
You saw her after much of the damages were done. You aren't wrong, but she adopted that much moderation as a last resort from being driven that close. It completely contradicted everything she stood for to have that many people trying to run the place in her stead...
Yes, and those idiots enabled that resort as an option.
Btw, if Inquirer's mod position wasn't purely for PR here, I would definitely NOT be okay with the mod team the way it currently is. Either I'd suggest Inquirer to be demodded or one person who's cool with the pedo gang to be made mod in order to compensate for it, so history doesn't repeat itself. Even aubrieta would make a better mod than him.
He's still "people's choice", and he has a record people trust now. He's also involved with Good for site stuff, so he's pretty nestled in here.
As said, if he wasn't PR, I would be vandalizing the place, even if I was banned for it.
The people who trust him are all irrelevant to me, the meek users I'm mostly not close to and don't interest me in the slightest. It's like, we live on separate islands.
I haven't had any problems with him since Luna and Edvard stopped being a factor.
That's because nothing too serious happened since, minus the most recent time you power tripped on me and I posted see pee to demonstrate who's in control.
Instead of some lone gunman hurling CP links at the crowd, we used to form a lynch mob. How the forum finally died felt a lot more like the old days, it was amazing to see people finally empowered enough to talk down to her. CP in some ways actually gave Luna allies for a while, while making it about more structural problems allowed everyone to lend a hand.
What was done to Loona prior to the CP phase doesn't matter. She recovered from all of it. You had years with the help of the old-cast to break down Loona and you didn't succeed. It was only when I came by Loona was inflicted mortal wounds.
You and I have very different views on what constitutes "recovery".
If anything, she was hardened up with the childish mind games that were played on her.
I think this goes back to our preferences towards poisons vs swords.
And it proves that swords are more effective, seeing how it broke her back and poisons didn't.
What started to cause her to break down into deleting S-C and afterwards trying to prevent the community from recovering, was CP. She only came back because she failed to accomplished that, so she tries to make the best out of it and poach users.
Her words: i am okay with 99% of people here. but disgusting photos posted as shock art... and people talking about molesting kids are just too extreme for me. odd you think exposing yourself to that kind of stuff is something to be proud of
You are incapable of seeing beyond your own contribution
Your contributions were trivial.
and you seem to only want to look at it if it seems loud instead of subtle.
The only means that worked on her well.
Your methods if they were enough wouldn't have just wrecked the forum, but potentially the community as well.
I anticipated people were going to regroup on Discord, and it exactly played out like that.
Cawk said:If anything, she was hardened up with the childish mind games that were played on her.
Snapping more quickly and making bigger mistakes with a heightened sense of entitlement is not "hardening". She was not becoming a diamond from all of this pressure, she was cracking until she broke.
It broke down her ability to even talk to people on other forums, dragging her back to us to take more abuse. There's a reason calling back all the old chapters of her forum times started messing with her judgement towards the end.
She was trapped with us, she still is somewhat, and without CP as a factor tied to her responsibilities she has no martyrdom to fall back on anymore. Her means of rebuilding has been shot down by having it be a community effort, having her see her once cowed supporters now on the side of reason. Even Meta's motivation for working on this was partially fueled by wanting to see Luna's failure, while death by CP doesn't really have the same ring to it.
She's always been about numbers of people (it's so overt that quoting it's redundant), and it's still about that to her even now. Her comment on the "shock" pieces thing is yet more rationale to try to drag people back to her place, as she used to try to qualify normal porn as worth deleting from her website but got over that purely from the bandwagon being into porn. She only brings up the pedo thing to try to draw the moral fags out and see if it'll snowball.
Luna's always been Me-Me-Me:
What you don't get is the "childish things" hit her harder than most people, especially when they're tailored specifically for her issues. Her lot is hurt by reputation strikes and seeing a crowd of "unappreciative" people, as actual failures vs successes don't matter as long as the people in her immediate surroundings confirm that she's a success. As people stopped being on her side she was all alone, and that's where she couldn't do anything, and once the usual "Michael Reboot" of her shutting everything down showed her to have been replaced that quickly it stayed down (there's been multiples of these). Even her once-mods were openly dissing her while she crumpled like paper.
If it'd just gone down from "Jim attacks", and not a social bombing, then Michael's reboot would have been enough to bring everyone back. There had to be an alternative, a "Catcher's Mitt", for when that time came or they'd just go right back to their familiar brands of online abuse. A reinforced sense of community with an overt common enemy was needed, or else they'd just be slogging to whatever tune she's playing out of inertia conveniences.
not to take away your guys' thunder but i blame myself for pretty much everything. i made mistakes right from the start.
my first mistake was starting a website for sociopaths at all. i am not a sociopath, and i dont need that label following me around all my life. additionally, the label attracted the worst types of people who drove away any chance of quality threads or topics
my 2nd mistake was that i adopted rules that were too relaxed... this attracted pedofiles which in the end frustrated TC, and turned him and other users against me---- fighting the pedos turned the more libertarian users against me too
my 3rd mistake was that i spent too much time flirting with jim, and he formed a crush on me.... that guranteed he would obsessivly try to hurt me in exchange for my rejecting him after he tried increasingly extreme methods of getting my attention
my 4th mistake was getting too involved with the members here. caring what they think, etc. i shoul have just been hands off like my brother-- so much easier to run things when your users dont even know you
my 5th mistake was not conjuring up a ban system effective enough to keep the trolls out. i was techniically possible but i failed in succeeding at that
my 6th mistake was banning users who were not actually breaking rules, but just trying to get under my skin.. such as xadem
my final mistake was not killing SC earlier... it was clear that i was not cut out to run a community with that kind of culture and i exposed myself to a lot more frustration than i should have
so did users like xadem and tc and jim, and cawk have a roll in my killing sc? yes... but did they choose to hate me, or did my misteps cause them to target me? i say it was my misteps. i brought it on myself and only blame myself
in the future i will not be as idealistic in terms of allowing liberty of posting.. the great lesson i learned from running SC is that the leader should be firmly in control and the rules should be written to give the leader plenty of control to dictate the culture... without a strong personality to guide the culture, it is too easy for trolls and losers to spam trash until only they are left. imo that is kinda what happened with SC. in the end all the good users left. id argue the good users are still leaving gradually... spatial mind, myself, edvard, etc
the biggest thing i disagree with though is this narrative that i "snapped" and killed sc...
killing sc was a logical decision. i was losing money. i was losing time. i was disliked by my own users. i was literally getting nothing but bad vibes from it.... it was the most logical thing to do to kill sc, it was the best thing for my future. in 1 swipe, ive did away with a huge amount of risk that went with owning this forum.... governments around the world are only getting more anti-free speech and the owners of a forum like this will be a target some day. not to meantion just general legal risk. its not a smart or logical decision to host this forum, no matter how much you idiots idealize it or act like doing so is a mark of success
