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cheater said: 

Have you cheated on your SO before, how was it and how did you feel? Was there any guilt involved?

hypothetically, is dancing with other chicks (but not banging them) while in a 2 week relationship cheating?

 

 You’ll try any angle: best of luck to you cuz you’re going to need it.

I've cheated before, when I was in college. 

My ex-fiance had cheated on me multiple times, leading to an on-again off-again relationship. This made it easier for me to do it "just this once", and that was what ended up breaking off everything. 

Go figure the cheater couldn't stand being cheated on. Most cheaters spend so much time chastising themselves that they end up projecting onto their partners. 

Turncoat said: 

I've cheated before, when I was in college. 

My ex-fiance had cheated on me multiple times, leading to an on-again off-again relationship. This made it easier for me to do it "just this once", and that was what ended up breaking off everything. 

Go figure the cheater couldn't stand being cheated on. Most cheaters spend so much time chastising themselves that they end up projecting onto their partners. 

 Why would you stay in a relationship with someone who doesn’t respect you enough to not cheat? That seems pretty sad and submissive, but I guess you said that’s your thing. 

Normally, I wouldn’t answer these types of questions, but… Since I slightly shamed you, I guess I’ll give my two cents. I cheated once, but I told the guy that I was just trying to see if I actually loved him and wanted to marry him or not, so he let me do it. It was dumb because I only cheated because I didn’t like him anymore, but he had a nice place for me to stay, while I was on summer break from college and I strongly dislike my family, so I was like… Must stay at all costs. 

When we finally broke up, he died his hair green. He never talked to anyone, except me, like he just didn’t talk/open his mouth. He had friends from when we was in school, but they never heard him talk before. He was extremely shy and skinny, but he was the guy that I dated for the longest because he always went everywhere with me, like even to college, which is why I eventually got kicked out of the dorms, but also I could no longer afford it because my mom stopped giving me money.

He wasn’t supposed to live there with me and my random roommate chick complained. Then we were all homeless together. He messed up a lot of times though because he doesn’t talk, so he couldn’t do anything for me, like get my stuff out before they evicted us at the place where I paid this chick rent six months in advance and she never paid the landlord, so a week after paying her, they boarded up the place and he left all of our stuff inside, including my school stuff. It was super messed up. Long story short, cheating is wrong.

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Turncoat said: 

I've cheated before, when I was in college. 

My ex-fiance had cheated on me multiple times, leading to an on-again off-again relationship. This made it easier for me to do it "just this once", and that was what ended up breaking off everything. 

Go figure the cheater couldn't stand being cheated on. Most cheaters spend so much time chastising themselves that they end up projecting onto their partners. 

 Why would you stay in a relationship with someone who doesn’t respect you enough to not cheat?

It was less staying and more returning to over and over. We were best friends who were attracted to eachother, but that far back it was also a Long Distance Relationship and the hormones were teenage. 

We'd spend time not dating, realize we were still really close, and it kinda just... kept happening until I was the one who did it. Ironically she'd also been cheating at the same time that time, making her offense to it even more hypocritical. 

That whole chapter of my life had strange twists and turns. 

Normally, I wouldn’t answer these types of questions, but… Since I slightly shamed you, I guess I’ll give my two cents.

It's not really shameful to point out things I publicly state. Some on this site have shamed me, but being like "woah you're disabled" doesn't really hurt so much as it's strange. 

When we finally broke up, he died his hair green. He never talked to anyone, except me, like he just didn’t talk/open his mouth.

Is this related to your thing about that color? 

Long story short, cheating is wrong.

Generally yes, but sometimes it's the start of something more or a sign of problems that would have been ahead. I don't like it, but sometimes it's the expression is of a greater truth that couldn't communicate itself otherwise. 

I ended up dating the one I'd done the cheating with for a solid year and a half, it got me out of what would have been a horrible marriage, and it let me explore my masochism with someone who could actually test my limits. 

Turncoat said: 

Just said: 

Turncoat said: 

I've cheated before, when I was in college. 

My ex-fiance had cheated on me multiple times, leading to an on-again off-again relationship. This made it easier for me to do it "just this once", and that was what ended up breaking off everything. 

Go figure the cheater couldn't stand being cheated on. Most cheaters spend so much time chastising themselves that they end up projecting onto their partners. 

 Why would you stay in a relationship with someone who doesn’t respect you enough to not cheat?

It was less staying and more returning to over and over. We were best friends who were attracted to eachother, but that far back it was also a Long Distance Relationship and the hormones were teenage. 

We'd spend time not dating, realize we were still really close, and it kinda just... kept happening until I was the one who did it. Ironically she'd also been cheating at the same time that time, making her offense to it even more hypocritical. 

That whole chapter of my life had strange twists and turns. 

Normally, I wouldn’t answer these types of questions, but… Since I slightly shamed you, I guess I’ll give my two cents.

It's not really shameful to point out things I publicly state. Some on this site have shamed me, but being like "woah you're disabled" doesn't really hurt so much as it's strange. 

When we finally broke up, he died his hair green. He never talked to anyone, except me, like he just didn’t talk/open his mouth.

Is this related to your thing about that color? 

Long story short, cheating is wrong.

Generally yes, but sometimes it's the start of something more or a sign of problems that would have been ahead. I don't like it, but sometimes it's the expression is of a greater truth that couldn't communicate itself otherwise. 

I ended up dating the one I'd done the cheating with for a solid year and a half, it got me out of what would have been a horrible marriage, and it let me explore my masochism with someone who could actually test my limits. 

 I meant shaming you, as in asking why you would stay with someone who cheats. Disabilities aren’t shameful, but saying that staying with someone who doesn’t respect you makes no sense to me, is kind of shaming you, since you did that and I’m implying it’s not rational. It makes more sense now, so thanks for explaining.

Still mad though. Just so you know. Not about this, but I just want to remember how long it takes me to get over this, so I can tell how much I cared and how much it effected me and why, so I can figure out how important it is to me, in case I forget or try to find someone in the future. I’ll know what to test first.

Failure said: 

I meant shaming you, as in asking why you would stay with someone who cheats. Disabilities aren’t shameful, but saying that staying with someone who doesn’t respect you makes no sense to me, is kind of shaming you, since you did that and I’m implying it’s not rational. It makes more sense now, so thanks for explaining.

How is that shaming me though? Do you expect people to be that sensitive? 

Still mad though. Just so you know. Not about this, but I just want to remember how long it takes me to get over this, so I can tell how much I cared and how much it effected me and why, so I can figure out how important it is to me, in case I forget or try to find someone in the future.

All I'm getting out of this is that discussing religion with you is a dead end. When your words didn't convert me after hours of us both discussing the material you began acting out, then you insisted that I didn't read it similarly to how you insisted that I need to read The Bible again to get the correct message (yours). Your idea of truth and lies seems linked to your truth solely, so if you don't believe someone else you insist it must be lies. 

Much like you accuse me of, you ignored a lot of what I'd said while insisting you didn't, like how you didn't answer any questions about other religions, and you don't see me getting this steamed over it while you're meanwhile throwing a tantrum. I'm sorry that you found it to be a waste of time rather than a chance to practice discussing faith and experiencing how a different POV would handle it, but you can't expect one conversation about it to change someone's way of thinking.

Treating the lack of success as if "they must not have read it" serves to ignore a lot of other potential reasons. Once you got mad you completely shut down from listening to the other person over insisting that you're always correct, which doesn't really give the other person, in this case myself, anything to work with as they witness your meltdown. 

I’ll know what to test first.

Their photo, right? 

I saw the banter you had here last night with Med. 😏

Turncoat said: 

Failure said: 

I meant shaming you, as in asking why you would stay with someone who cheats. Disabilities aren’t shameful, but saying that staying with someone who doesn’t respect you makes no sense to me, is kind of shaming you, since you did that and I’m implying it’s not rational. It makes more sense now, so thanks for explaining.

How is that shaming me though? Do you expect people to be that sensitive? 

Still mad though. Just so you know. Not about this, but I just want to remember how long it takes me to get over this, so I can tell how much I cared and how much it effected me and why, so I can figure out how important it is to me, in case I forget or try to find someone in the future.

All I'm getting out of this is that discussing religion with you is a dead end. When your words didn't convert me after hours of us both discussing the material you began acting out, then you insisted that I didn't read it similarly to how you insisted that I need to read The Bible again to get the correct message (yours). Your idea of truth and lies seems linked to your truth solely, so if you don't believe someone else you insist it must be lies. 

Much like you accuse me of, you ignored a lot of what I'd said while insisting you didn't, like how you didn't answer any questions about other religions, and you don't see me getting this steamed over it while you're meanwhile throwing a tantrum. I'm sorry that you found it to be a waste of time rather than a chance to practice discussing faith and experiencing how a different POV would handle it, but you can't expect one conversation about it to change someone's way of thinking.

Treating the lack of success as if "they must not have read it" serves to ignore a lot of other potential reasons. Once you got mad you completely shut down from listening to the other person over insisting that you're always correct, which doesn't really give the other person, in this case myself, anything to work with as they witness your meltdown. 

I’ll know what to test first.

Their photo, right? 

I saw the banter you had here last night with Med. 😏

 That’s how I know you didn’t read it. I did discuss why other religions don’t have it right, so I’m not saying you didn’t read it and are a liar because you don’t think the same as I do. It’s because had you read what I wrote, you would have seen the part where I answered about other religions. That’s why I asked if you think I’m stupid. I know what I wrote because I responded to every single thing you wrote, like on purpose because I wanted you to have the answers you were seeking because you said God doesn’t allow people to ask questions. That’s why I was so mad, along with the fact that you’re now using the fact that you didn’t read what I wrote, to say I never answered your question, yet you didn’t get mad. I answered it, so it adds to my frustration. Hopefully, you can understand that now and why I was so annoyed and thought it was a waste of time.

 I am not using any perceived failure that you have projected onto me, to say anything. This is what’s annoying me is you can’t even admit that you didn’t read it, even that you may have looked past it however accidentally. You just assume that I’m being irrational and crazy and caring about what you would care about. You don’t understand at all and you just add your own interpretation and guesses of what you think is wrong.

Yet another thing you got wrong about the issue is that I explained why I believe I am correct and it had nothing to do with I just know. I gave a long detailed, step by step reason as to why I believe I am correct and you didn’t even read it and then you accused me of not writing about it, and said that I just said that I was correct.

Imagine putting in that much effort, for someone to not read it and then assume you just stated that you were correct, when you literally put in the effort to do the opposite, because that person stated that you are relying on the Bible as fact to prove you’re correct. I addressed that concern thoroughly and went step by step from what I first experienced, until recently. You didn’t read it and I know this because you’re STILL saying that I just think I’m right because I think I’m right. That’s why I am angry.

Not because I didn’t convince you, since you never read what I wrote, but because you didn’t even read it, so you’re the one who didn’t listen to my point of view and then you’re accusing me of doing it. I addressed every single concern you raised and gave you insight into who I am and how I think and why I think what I do about religion. I’m mainly angry because of the fact that there was so much about myself that was revealing in it, and you not reading it is like a rejection of me, as opposed to anything to do with religion.

Trypt. doesn’t believe either and I was friends with him for a long time and we had religious arguments and I never convinced him and I was never mad at him for it. I just accepted that he thinks differently, because he actually listened, so I know he heard me out and just thinks differently.

But you didn’t read it, so I can’t say you just think differently because you don’t even know how I think and why I think what I think because you never gave me the time of day. You just pretended to. That’s the problem. You never read it, so you can’t just say you disagree because you never digested the reasons I provided you or the examples I gave.

It’s belittling for you to think that I would really be that stupid and petty to be angry that I didn’t convince you. That’s why I had to give the Trypt. example. If that’s how I was, that’s how I would have been with him, but I wasn’t, so that’s not me and you’re getting that from your own projections. It’s annoying to me that you would refuse to believe that I have a rational explanation for why I’m angry. I’m not retarded or emotional for self preservation or to save face or anything. I have valid reasons that aren’t anything that you stated. 

It’s because had you read what I wrote, you would have seen the part where I answered about other religions.

You claimed other religions had no source of good vs evil, which is nuts. Good vs Evil is a human presumption, it's more unusual to see faiths like Wicca claim Evil isn't a thing. Are you really going to tell me Islam doesn't address good and evil for example, a question I asked you earlier, or that the works that precede The Bible didn't either? Even Roman and Greek myth go there. 

That’s why I asked if you think I’m stupid.

Which I answered with referencing where I called you insane,  before splitting the difference in how those two words don't mean the same thing. 

You think Jesus talks directly to you, there's no leeway for discussion there. I had the same issue when talking to Turquie. 

I know what I wrote because I responded to every single thing you wrote

You didn't, and even where you did respond to me you kept stating principals about how God works rather than addressing direct context. 

Like I said, religious discussion between us is a dead end. I address multiple faiths over not believing in any of them while you're very sure of yourself over this single one. I don't see how either of us can truly visit the others' perspective. 
 

Hopefully, you can understand that now and why I was so annoyed and thought it was a waste of time.

The frustration came out of left field when you felt as if my not being swayed meant I didn't read what you said. You asked one trivia question and kept it vague as to hold the upper hand, which is not how to have a conversation. 

You can't even keep straight which part I got wrong, this post shows you focusing on a different section of the discussion entirely. I'm sorry but that's not now conversion works, and it's not my fault that you budgeted your time poorly by trying to convert an outspoken Atheist. 

This is what’s annoying me is you can’t even admit that you didn’t read it

I did read all of it, but it seems beyond you to see that even something as simple as retention may be at fault here. 

It was hours of discussion with us both addressing quotes rather than having direct discussion, and while you are self-assured that you read it all you don't even seem capable of discussion over most of it beyond restating principals over figures in the texts, ignoring context as if said principals steer the story plainly. 

You don't even have the capacity to question the authorship, when The Bible was authored by multiple people. Others I've spoken with at least had room to doubt some fables over other ones. 

You just assume that I’m being irrational and crazy and caring about what you would care about.

You told me that you get a direct intervention from your religion in the form of dreams and the holy spirit, of course I'd find that crazy as someone who does not believe in that. You tried to tell me that your reading The Bible multiple times has you above those who've done even more work than you and can explain their points better than you, which is madness from my POV. 

Yet another thing you got wrong about the issue is that I explained why I believe I am correct and it had nothing to do with I just know. I gave a long detailed, step by step reason as to why I believe I am correct and you didn’t even read it and then you accused me of not writing about it, and said that I just said that I was correct.

You believe yourself above the restrictions of bias, human perception, and filters, then went further to say you get direct intervention from your God. When I expressed my beliefs over how it could be other answers you got pissed off. 
 

Imagine putting in that much effort, for someone to not read it and then assume you just stated that you were correct, when you literally put in the effort to do the opposite, because that person stated that you are relying on the Bible as fact to prove you’re correct.

Imagine reading all of what someone said, and not retaining hours of direct quotes. 

You don't seem to be able to, even while you're doing it. 
 

You didn’t read it and I know this because you’re STILL saying that I just think I’m right because I think I’m right. That’s why I am angry.

No, this is a new reason for you to be angry, not the original one. 

You have this idea that God is Truth and God talks to you, so therefor you speak truth to such a degree that even experts of your field are wrong. Do you not see why that would look weird to me as an outsider? 
 

Trypt. doesn’t believe either and I was friends with him for a long time and we had religious arguments and I never convinced him and I was never mad at him for it. I just accepted that he thinks differently, because he actually listened, so I know he heard me out and just thinks differently.

You two have had disagreements that you aired out on this forum's chat, much like what happened with ours. I also am not willing to lie to you or bend over backwards to tell you what you want to hear, as it's not the truth. 

If you can't handle the truth, I don't know how to help you. You seem so sure that your answer is the only one to the point of blocking out other people, then you seem to with time forget it even happened. 

I don't see why the word "retention" to you is something you're aphasic towards, especially when you are prone to issues with it yourself. You even tried calling me a series of unrelated disorders that seem more like yours, as if projecting your problems onto your perceived opposition. 

I'm sorry but I won't sell out to make you feel better. 

Turncoat said: 

It’s because had you read what I wrote, you would have seen the part where I answered about other religions.

You claimed other religions had no source of good vs evil, which is nuts. Good vs Evil is a human presumption, it's more unusual to see faiths like Wicca claim Evil isn't a thing. Are you really going to tell me Islam doesn't address good and evil for example, a question I asked you earlier, or that the works that precede The Bible didn't either? Even Roman and Greek myth go there. 

That’s why I asked if you think I’m stupid.

Which I answered with referencing where I called you insane,  before splitting the difference in how those two words don't mean the same thing. 

You think Jesus talks directly to you, there's no leeway for discussion there. I had the same issue when talking to Turquie. 

I know what I wrote because I responded to every single thing you wrote

You didn't, and even where you did respond to me you kept stating principals about how God works rather than addressing direct context. 

Like I said, religious discussion between us is a dead end. I address multiple faiths over not believing in any of them while you're very sure of yourself over this single one. I don't see how either of us can truly visit the others' perspective. 
 

Hopefully, you can understand that now and why I was so annoyed and thought it was a waste of time.

The frustration came out of left field when you felt as if my not being swayed meant I didn't read what you said. You asked one trivia question and kept it vague as to hold the upper hand, which is not how to have a conversation. 

You can't even keep straight which part I got wrong, this post shows you focusing on a different section of the discussion entirely. I'm sorry but that's not now conversion works, and it's not my fault that you budgeted your time poorly by trying to convert an outspoken Atheist. 

This is what’s annoying me is you can’t even admit that you didn’t read it

I did read all of it, but it seems beyond you to see that even something as simple as retention may be at fault here. 

It was hours of discussion with us both addressing quotes rather than having direct discussion, and while you are self-assured that you read it all you don't even seem capable of discussion over most of it beyond restating principals over figures in the texts, ignoring context as if said principals steer the story plainly. 

You don't even have the capacity to question the authorship, when The Bible was authored by multiple people. Others I've spoken with at least had room to doubt some fables over other ones. 

You just assume that I’m being irrational and crazy and caring about what you would care about.

You told me that you get a direct intervention from your religion in the form of dreams and the holy spirit, of course I'd find that crazy as someone who does not believe in that. You tried to tell me that your reading The Bible multiple times has you above those who've done even more work than you and can explain their points better than you, which is madness from my POV. 

Yet another thing you got wrong about the issue is that I explained why I believe I am correct and it had nothing to do with I just know. I gave a long detailed, step by step reason as to why I believe I am correct and you didn’t even read it and then you accused me of not writing about it, and said that I just said that I was correct.

You believe yourself above the restrictions of bias, human perception, and filters, then went further to say you get direct intervention from your God. When I expressed my beliefs over how it could be other answers you got pissed off. 
 

Imagine putting in that much effort, for someone to not read it and then assume you just stated that you were correct, when you literally put in the effort to do the opposite, because that person stated that you are relying on the Bible as fact to prove you’re correct.

Imagine reading all of what someone said, and not retaining hours of direct quotes. 

You don't seem to be able to, even while you're doing it. 
 

You didn’t read it and I know this because you’re STILL saying that I just think I’m right because I think I’m right. That’s why I am angry.

No, this is a new reason for you to be angry, not the original one. 

You have this idea that God is Truth and God talks to you, so therefor you speak truth to such a degree that even experts of your field are wrong. Do you not see why that would look weird to me as an outsider? 
 

Trypt. doesn’t believe either and I was friends with him for a long time and we had religious arguments and I never convinced him and I was never mad at him for it. I just accepted that he thinks differently, because he actually listened, so I know he heard me out and just thinks differently.

You two have had disagreements that you aired out on this forum's chat, much like what happened with ours. I also am not willing to lie to you or bend over backwards to tell you what you want to hear, as it's not the truth. 

If you can't handle the truth, I don't know how to help you. You seem so sure that your answer is the only one to the point of blocking out other people, then you seem to with time forget it even happened. 

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I don't see why the word "retention" to you is something you're aphasic towards, especially when you are prone to issues with it yourself. You even tried calling me a series of unrelated disorders that seem more like yours, as if projecting your problems onto your perceived opposition. 

I'm sorry but I won't sell out to make you feel better. 

 None of that is even true. I don’t even talk to Jesus. I talk to YHWH. They aren’t the same. I addressed that concern about leading with the Bible and you didn’t read it, which is why you think I continued down that path. I never claimed other religions didn’t discuss good versus evil. I explained how the source of good and evil must exist and only religion points to an answer to what is a source. In that discussion, I wasn’t even talking about Christianity specifically because you said good versus evil was man made, so I explained how and why there must a source and that was before you pointed out that other religions discuss good versus evil. 

I literally just went through every point you mentioned in the last point and explained that I discussed those topics in the long messages I wrote. It’s clear you have no idea how to admit that you didn’t read the things I wrote. You didn’t read the really long messages and those were where the important stuff was. I will copy and paste what I wrote here, so there’s no more lying and trying to save face. I think it’s clear that you don’t have any integrity or respect and that’s not my thing, so I think I knew that there was something wrong with you, mentally, which is why I avoided you. It was clear to me you’d never understand or accept the truth, not even talking about religious truth, just reality as it is. 

Here’s what I wrote:

My reply to your idea that good and evil were man made:

How are they real then? Man made? How can we kill and people die, if it’s man made? How can we heal and love and know which is better? It’s inherent. It’s better to be alive than dead and to not be murdered than to be murdered. That’s because one hurts and one doesn’t. We naturally fear pain because it hurts and we like things that feel good. That’s innate and not man made. That’s how we were created. At birth babies cry because they’re cold. They don’t smile when they first exit. It’s not pleasant. They get squished and kicked out of the only home they have known. We all know that’s not what we want, which is how we know that’s bad.

-Note it has nothing to do with my religion.