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While the focus isn't really on the free will aspect, it seems to parse to some connection to it.  The soul seems to matter as a source of agency, with attendant uniqueness from the history of choices and their impact.

Tacky's sentiments seem to parallel Sam Harris' on the matter, of which I largely sympathize with.  But that's somewhat of an idealist approach.  I can see Daniel Dennet's approach with compatibilism.

There are pitfalls in both paths.  With compatibilism, there's the room for obfuscation and mystifying of terms, and misleading or misunderstanding.  With reductionism, the danger lies in categorization and marginalization, along with ostracization.  There have been historical regimes, I think, with both "sins" on their record for distorting their intent and taking advantage to exploit these ideologies.  Think Crusades, think Communism, think Fascism, think so many different things.

To get on a path of compassion due to a more "realistic" view, or one consistent with scientific consensus, because I think there's merit to the scientific endeavor to self-correct and review, it might take those bridges which Tacky states as risky for delusion or misdirection.  I think those are milder than the alternative, right now.  But that can change.  I think language and definition (and meaning, therefore) matter here.

In a key sense, common psychology might have trouble in a reductionist, nihilist-adjacent view.  I think most people will be prone to a very depressive, negative view when presented with what is even logically consistent and scientifically "proven".  (Again, a certain kind of narrative, no matter how close to what we believe to truth, is still a certain way of describing something, fraught with bias and consensus.)

In particular, the difficulty I think people have between determinism and fatalism.

And...

(I may have used "seem" too much.)

Jada said: 

Tacky said: 

Jada said: 

So in your definition soul does not exist independent of the body? Thats very different from what the majority of people mean when theg talk about the soul.

 In my opinion, it would be better for society if people were taught about the brain and its functions in school. 

What would be the societal benefits?

 A more realistic and fundamental empathy instead of allowing (through active promotion, not just "human nature" which wouldn't be able to do as much on its own) the big to compete with the little through an emotional and self-gratifying ego propaganda system.

Tacky said: 

Jada said: 

Tacky said: 

 In my opinion, it would be better for society if people were taught about the brain and its functions in school. 

What would be the societal benefits?

 A more realistic and fundamental empathy instead of allowing (through active promotion, not just "human nature" which wouldn't be able to do as much on its own) the big to compete with the little through an emotional and self-gratifying ego propaganda system.

Empathy tends to come automatically to people though, only a select few really need help with it. 

Turncoat said: 

Tacky said: 

Jada said: 

What would be the societal benefits?

 A more realistic and fundamental empathy instead of allowing (through active promotion, not just "human nature" which wouldn't be able to do as much on its own) the big to compete with the little through an emotional and self-gratifying ego propaganda system.

Empathy tends to come automatically to people though, only a select few really need help with it. 

 The kind of "empathy" you neurotypicals have is total predatory garbage.

Tacky said: 

Turncoat said: 

Tacky said: 

 A more realistic and fundamental empathy instead of allowing (through active promotion, not just "human nature" which wouldn't be able to do as much on its own) the big to compete with the little through an emotional and self-gratifying ego propaganda system.

Empathy tends to come automatically to people though, only a select few really need help with it. 

 The kind of "empathy" you neurotypicals have is total predatory garbage.

It's closer to understanding social cues and body language. 

Tacky said: 

Turncoat said: 

Tacky said: 

 A more realistic and fundamental empathy instead of allowing (through active promotion, not just "human nature" which wouldn't be able to do as much on its own) the big to compete with the little through an emotional and self-gratifying ego propaganda system.

Empathy tends to come automatically to people though, only a select few really need help with it. 

 The kind of "empathy" you neurotypicals have is total predatory garbage.

 You think TC, or, for that matter, anyone left here in this forum, is neurotypical?

Buttered Toast said: 

 You think TC, or, for that matter, anyone left here in this forum, is neurotypical?

 Maybe psychopaths or plain fruity fools idk.

Tacky said: 

Buttered Toast said: 

 You think TC, or, for that matter, anyone left here in this forum, is neurotypical?

 Maybe psychopaths or plain fruity fools idk.

Wouldn't psychopaths be among the ones who struggle with empathy? 

When I was in middle school my sunday school teacher told me that there was an experience  where they put dying people on a scale and at the moment of death tbe scale jumped up 4 oz lighter, so this proves a soul is real and it weighs 4 oz.

PalePeach said: 

When I was in middle school my sunday school teacher told me that there was an experience  where they put dying people on a scale and at the moment of death tbe scale jumped up 4 oz lighter, so this proves a soul is real and it weighs 4 oz.

 No it doesn't.