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If you did have Schizophrenia, what would be wrong with that? 

I mean it depends on what symptoms you are suffering

Which do you figure people keep thinking you're going through? Just the Psychosis? 

 
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If you did have Schizophrenia, what would be wrong with that? 

I mean it depends on what symptoms you are suffering

Which do you figure people keep thinking you're going through? Just the Psychosis? 

 

 

the only type of psychological illness that matches completely with all that I have exemplified is shamanic initiatory illness  I have all of the symptoms and it is the closest fit  just because it is not listed in the dsm does not make its perfect match up with myself any less perfect  what I am experiencing and shamanic initiatory illness are one and the same

 

to match my psychological illness you would have to take bits and pieces of every psychological illness out there and combine them all together into one and this is another tell that it is obviously a shamanic initiatory illness,  since we take on the sicknesses of our community and then heal them from ourselves and then begin healing other people from their psychological and physical illnesses

 

 

last edit on 2/20/2023 10:31:53 PM
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I just noticed this: 

healingqueen:
I feel stupid for not having all of the answers right now already and I hate my own stupidity

You aren't stupid for not knowing everything, that is an insane expectation to put on yourself. 

The struggle I think is moreover impatience, things take time, research, and even processing in your head for a bit to stick and click. 

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0 votes RE: shamanic illness vs schizophrenia

I mean it depends on what symptoms you are suffering

Which do you figure people keep thinking you're going through? Just the Psychosis? 

the only type of psychological illness that matches completely with all that I have exemplified is shamanic initiatory illness. I have all of the symptoms and it is the closest fit  just because it is not listed in the dsm does not make its perfect match up with myself any less perfect  what I am experiencing and shamanic initiatory illness are one and the same

While that's not really in the DSM, I bet it has parallels and comparisons to some of their entries. 

Why couldn't it be this and a DSM diagnosis? Again one of my courses went on about the connection and how it has impacted some cultures. 

to match my psychological illness you would have to take bits and pieces of every psychological illness out there and combine them all together into one and this is another tell that it is obviously a shamanic initiatory illness,  since we take on the sicknesses of our community and then heal them from ourselves and then begin healing other people from their psychological and physical illnesses

That sounds more like egoist hypochondriasis from a limited understanding of Psychology terms allowing it to paint across more broadly for self-identification. 

A lot of disorders have symptoms that cross into eachother however, maybe that's what's going on here? ADD for example can look similar to the early stages of multiple disorders, and as such is a common misdiagnosis. 

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I just noticed this: 

healingqueen:
I feel stupid for not having all of the answers right now already and I hate my own stupidity

You aren't stupid for not knowing everything, that is an insane expectation to put on yourself. 

The struggle I think is moreover impatience, things take time, research, and even processing in your head for a bit to stick and click. 

 

I cannot even focus on what to pray for in my requests for healing wisdom  😭  as soon as I even set my intention in the direction of wanting to pray for what to focus on healing that will have the most healing beneficial impact on myself and on other people and on nature I started getting soo much energy thrown at me and it is too much to keep up with and sort through and I feel so exasperated and I cannot interpret what the answers are yet and I feel like some spirits are angry at me for even asking that but I have to prioritize something over everything else or I am going to get lost in the sea of all of this

 

 

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0 votes RE: shamanic illness vs schizophrenia

I just noticed this: 

healingqueen:
I feel stupid for not having all of the answers right now already and I hate my own stupidity

You aren't stupid for not knowing everything, that is an insane expectation to put on yourself. 

The struggle I think is moreover impatience, things take time, research, and even processing in your head for a bit to stick and click. 

I cannot even focus on what to pray for in my requests for healing wisdom  😭  as soon as I even set my intention in the direction of wanting to pray for what to focus on healing that will have the most healing beneficial impact on myself and on other people and on nature I started getting soo much energy thrown at me and it is too much to keep up with and sort through and I feel so exasperated and I cannot interpret what the answers are yet and I feel like some spirits are angry at me for even asking that but I have to prioritize something over everything else or I am going to get lost in the sea of all of this

You have been expressing calling out to others to learn because on some level you recognize that you do not yourself yet have all the answers. 

My only answers for you are Time, Research, and keeping an Open Mind. There are a lot of Shaman out there, some onto stuff, some blatantly off base, and others onto something that could be harmful to know.

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This is why a lot of them employ meditation, protective circles, incense, meditative candles, binaural beats or chants, even rooms of complete silence at a temple or something. Even a hot shower, a steam room, or deep tissue massage can really unlock things. 

Your impatience stresses you out, which in turn has you become too exhausted to continue the path. Shaman is a very, very general term, what is more important is moreover what their portfolio of knowledge encompasses. 

Your struggle is moreover the passage of time, and as you're forced to take things slow you will learn to be more patient with it. 

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last edit on 2/20/2023 10:47:22 PM
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0 votes RE: shamanic illness vs schizophrenia

i've heard its possible to have psychosis in bpd no? 

and is related to other diagnoses so,... 

psychosis does not always equal only schizophrenia 

best to talk to a professional about things, giving a fully honest account 

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Blanc said: 

i've heard its possible to have psychosis in bpd no? 

and is related to other diagnoses so,... 

psychosis does not always equal only schizophrenia 

best to talk to a professional about things, giving a fully honest account 

 

oh I am way past ever doing that again as I do not believe in traditional talk therapy being a significant enough cure for psychological illness if that is what you are referring to as a professional,  the only professional that I would ever speak to about this is a shamanic practioner healer and I already have one working with me

 

 

last edit on 2/22/2023 8:47:30 PM
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(3:39 - 4:14)

 

"in shamanic initiation,  symbolic dismemberment (soul shattering) incurs direct experience with the sacred  as ritual death and rebirth takes place the initiate is reassembled and reborn as a new being-  a shaman with power and potential  shamanic initiation, say Ellen and Sabini requires various and numerous stages of ascending and descending the "world tree"(the central axis that provides access to all of the other realms especially the upper and lower worlds)-->  (this is why I am going up and down with my mood swings-  I am still figuring out what are symptoms of sickness and what are symptoms of going through the shamanic healing process-  I get this wrong sometimes and am learning discernment)  each time gaining greater consciousness of the unified reality of the transcendent dimension"  and this is happening somewhat out of my control and while I am in this world and the spirit world at the same time which is always and has been since I was born as far as I know

also I told you that I am not making this up that I am a shaman-to-be being guided by spirit as everything that I am going through matches up to the initiation process in ways that I do not even fully understand during the times that I feel lost and confused in this process

if I am making this stuff up then I am doing it perfectly because it is all matching up with what is known about the shamanic initiation process....

I think that maybe we should not f*** with what I am going through or try to stop it and that spirit showed me this video for a reason to help explain both to myself and other people what is going on with me and I think that respecting the process is important

whether or not anyone believes in shamanism obviously I do so I should probably follow my path correctly as guided by spirit right ?  if I am going to follow a shamanic path I should at least do it properly as guided by spirit

especially because I already surrendered to the calling
 
 

 

 

last edit on 2/22/2023 8:55:34 PM
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0 votes RE: shamanic illness vs schizophrenia

There are cultures that handle Schizos as Shaman by the way, the two are not that different at a base level. As my Abnormal Psych class went on about, a lot of what makes something a Disorder or not is a matter of cultural context. 

A lot of Shamanism has featured Psychadelics, which Schizophrenia basically can have hit them free of charge. They also tend to report odd sensitivities and sensory disturbances as well as some synesthesia, and the language style is usually pretty strange like a Shaman's can be. 

Before demonizing Schizophrenia, I would recommend looking into what's good about it as well, and how others handle the disorder rather than just the US mental system. 

 

I am not demonizing your disorder but I am letting you know that I do not have your disorder although I do have psychosis that I am coming out of,  and that soon I will be able to heal disorders such as yours under the guidance of spirit

 

 

 how did you know you were in psychosis 

what was that experience like 

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