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I presumed that Biden went as hard as he did speech-wise to counter internet propaganda and the like. To do nothing could give the illusion of having taken the other side. 

From what I can tell, there for a small while has been an interest on Russia's part to bait US users online into saying pro-Russia sentiments, then copy/pasting that on bots to appear more authentic. That could easily be used as a tool to cow other nations over how limited of an understanding a lot of places have over the US mindset (to the point of marketing it even in some places). 

In a way, unlike the old days I don't think the US could stay out of it without otherwise making an even louder statement. 

Great, make a super loud statement. Use the money and fix these shit fucking roads instead of crowdfunding a war that shouldn't have any bearing on my life.

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Okay okay....we Americans do a lot of bad shit. 

However, it is pretty fun being the global hegemon.

It's especially fun given we are considered retarded. 

I feel like this is unironically why we're doing it at this point.

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I presumed that Biden went as hard as he did speech-wise to counter internet propaganda and the like. To do nothing could give the illusion of having taken the other side. 

From what I can tell, there for a small while has been an interest on Russia's part to bait US users online into saying pro-Russia sentiments, then copy/pasting that on bots to appear more authentic. That could easily be used as a tool to cow other nations over how limited of an understanding a lot of places have over the US mindset (to the point of marketing it even in some places). 

In a way, unlike the old days I don't think the US could stay out of it without otherwise making an even louder statement. 

Great, make a super loud statement. Use the money and fix these shit fucking roads instead of crowdfunding a war that shouldn't have any bearing on my life.

Seems like short term thinking to not be concerned over the future of our neighbors. 

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Is Ukraine really our neighbor?

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Is Ukraine really our neighbor?

 

 

Is Ukraine really our neighbor?

 

 So glad I didn't fuck you  :P

 


You guys win (if that's what you call it lol)

I am now joining the many who have left this forum in disgust.

 


Make up w/e lies you want about who I am and what you think it's 'funny' to say I do, and I'll laugh it off.

But you idiots are advocating for genocide and cultural whitewashing, now.

 


And Putler will invade all of fucking Europe AND North America if we let him.

I'll never understand why dummies like you ppl don't just move to Ruzzia.

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@ luna: why don't you head over to Bakhmut and find Yevgeny Prigozhin and tell him you want to fight with his elites, then?

Get yourself a rockin kalashnikov  and fight on the frontlines for Mother Ruzzia.

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Xena said: 

Is Ukraine really our neighbor?

 

 

Is Ukraine really our neighbor?

 

 So glad I didn't fuck you  :P

 


You guys win (if that's what you call it lol)

I am now joining the many who have left this forum in disgust.

 


Make up w/e lies you want about who I am and what you think it's 'funny' to say I do, and I'll laugh it off.

But you idiots are advocating for genocide and cultural whitewashing, now.

 


And Putler will invade all of fucking Europe AND North America if we let him.

I'll never understand why dummies like you ppl don't just move to Ruzzia.

 You just don't see the corruption do you? You're blinded by something. Not sure what. Let Putin have Ukraine. The US money laundering and war will stop.

When you have corrupt politicians with money in Ukraine, it's not well for a country. Ukraine now runs the US by blackmail.

 

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!
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LiYang said: 

 You just don't see the corruption do you? You're blinded by something. Not sure what. Let Putin have Ukraine. The US money laundering and war will stop.

When you have corrupt politicians with money in Ukraine, it's not well for a country. Ukraine now runs the US by blackmail.

 

 Russia is more corrrupt. Like Xena said, the people that praise Russia hardly want to live there.

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Buttered Toast said:
Do you think it's a necessary role to play?

 There has to be some level of global order post Teller–Ulam configuration. How you establish and maintain that order without it being the very thing that causes a nuclear exchange is a different question. 

Regardless, globalization has been beneficial and its the United States that pushed it to through goal post and played the largest role in its tangibility.  

AppleGenius said:
That's the thing. China has already beat US in terms of its economy, just look at PPP. It'll become even clearer once you extrapolate 10 years. This whole thing about US being the de facto superpower is a remnant of what was taught 10-20 years ago. People are just holding on to an idea that became outdated several years back.

I'm well aware of this, the only issue is that some specific economic metric isn't what determines necessarily who the global hegemon is. 

While China does have a larger economy, that economy is incredibly fragile. It relies on other countries for half of its food and 3/4 its petroleum (though it does have ~5 years worth of petroleum reserves). It is only capable of producing 17% of its own semiconductor consumption (though they are striving to change this with the IC china fund). Its largest export relies on semiconductors but those are low grade, almost all high grade are imported. its semiconductor capacity relies on importing it western equipment, or tools and materials to make said equipment. 

The united states is anti-fragile given they are the exact opposite of this. We can produce all of the food and energy we will ever need in house. And our semiconductor and computing industry speaks for itself (though it relies on others, we have a lot of the cards in our hand). 

What makes the U.S. the global hegemon beyond our geographical luck is the fact that we field the largest and most advanced blue water navy in the world. Globalization very much relied on the existence of this navy and still does today. If the U.S. gets in a conflict with China all it has to do is drop a carrier group in the Indian ocean to embargo petroleum exports to China and cut its food imports. There is not much China could do given the naval vessels it has capable of reaching that far would be out numbered 2:1, have less advanced load outs, and no real world experience. Not to mention the U.S airforce has a technological gap on the Chinese by more than two decades. 

Having said this, China knows it doesn't stand a chance and is fragile. Hence, they have established PLAN which is a manufacturing program to reach a blue water navy size of 270 ships by 2035. They can probably pull that off, and despite those ships being less advanced it would be a very fair fight. 

However, PLAN relies on chinas semiconductor industry. Advanced radar and targeting systems take a lot of compute. Recently the United States has established a semiconductor ban on China. This requires any company in the U.S. to have a license to export chips to China. It bans American citizens to work for and consult Chinese companies on advanced semiconductor manufacturing. It bans companies from selling equipment to make semiconductors to China. It bans exporting the components  needed to build the equipment that manufactures semiconductors. To make matters worst is the proposed Chip 4 alliance which is a shared policy implementation between U.S., japan, Taiwan, and South Korea. Japan will play along, Taiwan likely will, while Korea is up in the air. As such the United States will likely still be the single most powerful blue water navy in the 30's. 

Economic output and manufacturing capacity does have a lot to do with hegemony, but logistics and power projection are just as important. While China has two of the four, the U.S. has all four.

In summary Hegemony is much more multi-dimensional than any specific economic metric.   

Draggonkz said:
People try saying that old people are the one with jobs in China but the same is happening in the US, power tripping child minded old people aka boomers.

The major issue is China has insanely bad demographics while the U.S. are more or less stable (especially when compared to the rest of the world).  

Tryptamine said:
I feel like this is unironically why we're doing it at this point.

I have heard a lot of different narratives that explain the U.S. motives and i really don't know which is true. Plus some play into each other.  

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AppleGenius said:
That's the thing. China has already beat US in terms of its economy, just look at PPP. It'll become even clearer once you extrapolate 10 years. This whole thing about US being the de facto superpower is a remnant of what was taught 10-20 years ago. People are just holding on to an idea that became outdated several years back.

I'm well aware of this, the only issue is that some specific economic metric isn't what determines necessarily who the global hegemon is. 

While China does have a larger economy, that economy is incredibly fragile. It relies on other countries for half of its food and 3/4 its petroleum (though it does have ~5 years worth of petroleum reserves). It is only capable of producing 17% of its own semiconductor consumption (though they are striving to change this with the IC china fund). Its largest export relies on semiconductors but those are low grade, almost all high grade are imported. its semiconductor capacity relies on importing it western equipment, or tools and materials to make said equipment.

None of this actually matters in the grander scheme of things. The US is no longer the global hegemony. If it's about who imports or exports what, I recommend checking your t-shirt, where it was made. The US lost even the trade war. I think that speaks volume about how dependent China is on US exports. It didn't work.

By now, China has around the same computing capabilities as the US, by the way, and it's growing at a significantly faster pace, thanks to their economic growth. They have reached also 100% self-sufficiency in food supply, if you're looking at staple foods. This idea that you could cut off and starve China to death flies against all evidence, if that's what you were going for.. Just visit there, the cities are way more advanced than the US, and their infrastructure is crazy.

The united states is anti-fragile given they are the exact opposite of this. We can produce all of the food and energy we will ever need in house. And our semiconductor and computing industry speaks for itself (though it relies on others, we have a lot of the cards in our hand). 

The US computing industry is now on roughly equal footing with China, in case you missed that. There's a small-margin lead by the US. Their application of emerging technologies is greater than USA's and it's pretty evident from how their society works, even at a surface glance. Everything in the US is incredibly outdated when you look at USA beyond the blue chip companies, many of which have now also been surpassed by the Chinese gorillas.

 

What makes the U.S. the global hegemon beyond our geographical luck is the fact that we field the largest and most advanced blue water navy in the world. Globalization very much relied on the existence of this navy and still does today. If the U.S. gets in a conflict with China all it has to do is drop a carrier group in the Indian ocean to embargo petroleum exports to China and cut its food imports. There is not much China could do given the naval vessels it has capable of reaching that far would be out numbered 2:1, have less advanced load outs, and no real world experience. Not to mention the U.S airforce has a technological gap on the Chinese by more than two decades. 

You both have nuclear bombs. And as I mentioned, China has basic food self-sufficiency. All of this is basically a nice story, but the fact of the matter is that China has a much stronger economy and now also more advanced than the US. It's hard to admit it, but that's just how it is.

A war will either happen and it'll be the end of both of you, or not. This is all speculation. The only thing that the US truly has as an edge, imho, is remnant global influence, which however is rapidly declining, just like the overall economy in the west is.

 

It's all driven by the economy, in the end. That was what allowed US to be a hegemony for so long, up until a decade ago, or a bit less. Now it's been surpassed by China, and it's mostly competing only in meaningless sub-areas as a way to keep up perceptions for as long as possible. Pay attention to the articles, as the goal post shifts. 10 years ago it was all about the economy. Then it shifted to whatever US was still best at. And it's kept shifting. If you look at the numbers, objectively, US is no longer a hegemony.

And btw, China has been incredibly happy to up-keep the delusion. Their state media is highlighting all their accomplishments, just like the US media is. However, they've been rather silent and humble on this matter, and have been able to keep flying under the radar for the last 2 decades thanks to not being seen as a challenger, and it's been incredibly beneficial to them. Now that they've established themselves as the dominant party, they've switched gears. People still haven't realized it. It just hasn't sunk in.

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