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AliceInWonderland said: 

PastelPink said:

ELI5 how does going to space actually benefit us all? It's a capital venture.

Reusable rocket manufacturing can be viewed as value added. 

In Short, 

(1) Contracts to send up satellites for commercial and government/military purposes are cheaper (for you the value added is in better gps at a discount and general increased US intelligence supremacy). 

(2) Mastering the manufacturing processes of reusing materials after they've experienced extreme conditions (rocket reentry) can theoretically be used elsewhere. (this will likely not benefit you directly) 

Unrelated to above:

Space X is a decent company, but the Mars pr sold to the public and investors is a scam and its difficult to say how starlink will turn out in the end given there isn't much need for it in the first-world. EV's have a very risky future given the amount of deglobalization happening (I am not bullish on them), but Tesla might solve self-driving in the next five years (key word might + Elon as a person says so much dumb shit regarding 'AI'). 

I know a lot about six presidents (as in their economic, foreign, and social policies + how they realistically panned out): Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Reagan. 

Trump isn't even the finest on this list. He was okay tbh, but certainly not the finest (unless you are only concerned with making ree's seethe). His weakest category was social policies, which I rate based on reception and effectiveness of achieving stated goals. His economic and foreign policies are decent in that they fit the times really well. 

Interestingly, Biden and Trump have almost identical economic and foreign policy where Biden has merely doubled down and repacked everything to make it aesthetically pleasing to liberals. Biden is also weakest in the social category. So, if you place the most weight on economics and foreign policy and like what Trump did, you should technically like what Biden is doing if you are actually paying attention instead of just eating up propaganda. Likewise, if you hate what Trump did economically and foreign policy wise you should technically dislike Biden unless you eat up propaganda. Trump > Biden only because Trump is funnier, though Biden does give him a run for his money sometimes. 

 Biden's policies heavily plagiarized Trump's policies hence them even being similar. Quite frankly I think he had to do that, but not really. He wasn't voted in for his policies. 

Alice, I'd argue Trump's social policies will mash the other 5 presidents you're speaking of both in and out of the states.

PastelPink said: 

Of the 4 of them, more defenses exist for Elon than the orhers for not being a sham it would seem.

Elon goes the whole nine yards for smokescreen and cover up. 

He even had a fake house he advertised himself as living in, while actually living in a much more expensive home. He spent extra money to appear humble, which is hilarious. 

Spatial Mind said: 

You say he never delivered on anything, like you expected him to deliver the full self driving, and the Semi. It's here now. And if he doesn't deliver on a dozen "other" world altering projects, then damn him eh ?

And why do I expect that in your opinion? Maybe Elon promised it? But did not do as he promised? And he does that every single time. And it is not just a failure to meet his own deadline. He constantly makes these crazy, insane, super smart, hyped-up promises. Then he delivers almost none to completely none of them. He gets people to worship him and to buy his shit using this technique. In the end, the product is at best normal, on average sub-par, and impractical, at worst: can't be done.

Spatial Mind said: 

Older Model 3 with the upgrade. It's clearly an Ai negotiating traffic. Perfect, no, but it's getting better at an exponential rate considering the Ai gains experience from every Tesla on the road.  

 

He says one thing, and another thing happens. He makes people believe in him, but he does not do as he says he will. This is not a little late, it is 9 years late (and every year, or even more often, he says its almost done). And it is not done as he keeps saying it will be done. And he uses these lines to get influence and money.

 The Semi

Late again?

Daimler Mercedes Benz and others strongly suggest what this Truck is doing is physically impossible, yet here it is. Pepsi has a growing number of these, if they don't have their fleet of 100 trucks by now. This truck is in production. Yes there are other Electric trucks but they have less range and are lower tech. Saving them billions.  

It's a money saver. 23-30 bucks per 500 miles. For trucking companies, This truck can pay for itself in a year as it's not cheap to operate a combustion rig. 

30 minutes = 70% charge. Worth the saving. Pepsi boasts the machine will save them billions in transportation, I don't doubt it's cheap to truck their junk food all over the place. 

Without all of the details in short it's Truly a fantastic machine, and met with resentment.

May actually work well for the lighter junk food, if they don't need to go too far in one go. If it is not more expensive that is.

 SpaceX does it for cheaper. The Space shuttle program ended in 2006. Wow, I was young man. Then the US had to hitch rides to space from China and Russia. SpaceX put the US back into independent space travel. Not bad. Drone rockets that land ? Sure it's been tested long ago, but they built their own and it's good to go.

I do not know about NASA that much, but aren't there now these 2 programs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(spacecraft)  

They do it for cheaper, but it's still about 10 times more expensive than they claim. Again, reality =/= what is claimed, by a large af factor. But it is still sold as if it is a lot more cheaper. Like a conman salesman.

The man is dope.

Well if you think being the greatest scammer alive today and war profiteering is dope, then sure. I personally think it is dope actually. But I enjoy to tell the Musk story as well.

Spatial Mind said: 

That's a incorrect.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html

The 2 first founders can be found there. The first minute of the video will make what I'm saying more clear. Elon is a co-founder, and largest founder of the lot. He was there for the making of all of Tesla's vehicles. They also commend Elon for where he took Tesla. 

The video didn't load for me, so I googled it and watched this, I think its the same:

One of them mentions that Elon still says he founded Tesla, when he has not and does not know why he does it. He does it, because it gives him genius points for his salesmen act.

In the article you send it says that Eberhard (one of the founders) was voted off the company and he sued for it. Does that sound like a good departure to you? He is just being nice and trying to be unbiased. In the video(19:15 timestamp), he says that he was voted off in a rude way too, and declines to comment more, I watched it all. Eberhard does not seem to like him, the more I watch this video.

If anything, the comment at the start about Elon taking credit and the lawsuit should show the reality, not the PR version, of what happened.

3 minutes in, till 7:40, if you don't feel like watching the rest, for the specific issue above. But the entire thing is worth a watch.
The lawsuit is far worse than it seems.

For example: the space car was Eberhard's legally.

The Teslabot is in it's prototype stage. It's clearly a robot, though not so great at this point in time.

 

The Robot uses LiDar technology, just like the Tesla cars do, to see it's environment or rather scan 3D models and interact with those. So they did some different shots and edits to make it look nicer.

Thats, not the point. The point is that he is lying and over hyping, all the time, to extremes. Like a conman: saying one thing and delivering a much worse product than the one advertised.

That guy in your video. His life must be pretty empty to spend the amount of time he does knocking Elon. Every little failure and imperfection from Elon and he jumps on it. Don't follow that guy, what Elon is doing is actually dope as fuck.

I've watched that guy for over 15 years probably. He is a very well-accomplished a scientist and does different kids of videos. My favourites are busting scams, because of his entertaining delivery. But he also busts religious claims and conspiracies, tho not so much in the last few years. He has a second channel where he does video blogs and science. Sometimes he does science on his main as well.

He is probably my favorite YouTuber, you should watch him and learn a thing or two.

Tesla Solar This guy is happy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG8ImNJHeKI 

Little bungalow, probably energy efficient feeding electricity back into the grid. I don't expect everyone to be happy, but know this. Tesla is stepping on the toes of some trillion dollar status companies. We'll see people calling this a scam, or naturally an unhappy customer will post their gripes with this technology. 

So did Elon lie about the solar panels on his opening or not? You keep changing the subject, which is not are there people who will claim they are happy, but is Elon a scammer. Because there are MANY scammed people, who won't admit it, or got lucky to have the right conditions for this specific scenario where they got a benefit.

And that company was not financially stable.

About the video, he mentions he is in LA. Which is probably one of the best places for solar panels during the winter. Here is where LA is during the winter(follow the arrow), camera angle is set to be on the light rays from the sun:

What if you get them in North Dakota? On the image above, North Dakota is under an extreme angle, so it will get WAY less solar rays.
How snowy does it get in LA:

So we can't see how he feels about the insulation issue: snow is good insulation, so if its melted, then it could get colder inside, which may incrase heating costs. And what about the cost of melting the snow?
Really this is not a good example for general use, unless you only get clients in these specific areas, which again is not what is advertised, which is the issue.

He says its durable, but I didn't quite get how he figured it out. The video he used I found on tesla's site, so its not his.

So in the video, he needs $2245 to pay his annual electric bill. In his other video, he said he paid $33749 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRPy8UZv9V0) to have it installed. He said he saved $2088 after the panels. This means that if no other bills are added, he needs 16 years to pay off the initial investment. Then he starts to save money. I am not certain this is that great myself, I won't say its terrible, but it's a long investment, for something thats not a house or land.

In his chart in the video, he says that he has a reduction of power after August, due to fire ashes, but that is also when winter begins.

You see clips like this that put into text that he sold Paypal, yet he never said that in this vid, in several other interviews he talks about getting fired from Paypal/X.com

In this video at 3:44 the interviewer tells him he is the owner of Tesla, Musk does not say he is not.
He even says "Without Elon, there will be no electric cars"
Thats just a bonus, the real golden gem is at 42:50 in the same video. The interviewer says that he build paypal and Elon says 'yeah, pretty much'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeEmVxMFM4Q

I don't see any evidence that suggests Elon claims to have sold X.com. He was a CEO that got canned.

I don't think I said he did that.

In my opinion the FSD is here already, you're free to deny that Tesla has Ai negotiating traffic right now, it's still getting better and it probably always will keep improving. They are the only ones doing it also. Honestly, I never thought I'd live to see shit like this. 

That's obviously not true, they are not fully self-driving. They make mistakes and you need a driver. There is no argument, it's just false.

Semi Truck. It's going to be a hit, and well sought after, I don't see Tesla being able to meet the demand anytime soon, while any trucking company has a duty to get a fleet of these. And it'll keep doing what they said cannot be done. 

Maybe late but not a scam.

It is a scam because it's late. If it was just the Semi, you could say it's incompetence. But it's not just the Semi, it's a pattern. And his metrics are at best questionable + he does not show all the metrics in his ad videos of the Semi (like the maximum weight it can carry).

Well. You have people calling for Twitter's boycott without him even doing anything, Twitter was losing 4 million a day, so he cut jobs. 

Then Elon asked his employees to work harder, if not they can leave, and 75% of who was left quit. Excellent. They were spending millions of dollars a year on cafeteria and wine on tap. Twitter was more of a spa for hippies. Twitter is putting out the same output. Twitter files also revealed how the FBi was working with Twitter to shadow ban conservatives and influence elections. Government corruption. You can't hear it from me though. But Elon's acquisition of Twitter isn't such a bad thing. Dude has generational wealth on some other level, and it's much better than it was before, unless you like people getting shadowbanned for political gain.

What he did was fire random people, then rehire them, not professional. Then people are afraid they will lose their jobs out of the blue, because of these actions.
Then his ideas were not well thought out, he just did what he felt like, so he created a not-very-useful paid verification check, which caused identity issues, which caused stock prices to change and people to get banned on ambiguous rules. He also went back and forth on the paid verification thing.

This is the mayhem he did, summarized. If he acted professionally, he could of done all this, in a way more proper manner.

Well last I checked Starlink isn't a charity, and they shelled out 80 million dollars in operating costs to Ukraine last I looked. Ukraine is looking for allies to assist in paying for Starlink. Yes Tesla jacked the price. It wasn't free sending 4000 satellites to space. 

Yet people think he did it for free.

Lmao is a member of Top G University tenure on the sociopath site too

I'm so dead

Trump better get his shit together with the vaccine. Last I saw he was still pushing it. His "Warp Speed".

Interesting video I seen yesterday on Musk by Louis Rossman:

tl;dw:

Elon knowingly puts out misleading information in order to promote his products. Case in point: A demo video of a Tesla driving itself, where it was said that a human was in the car only for legal reasons. Turns out Elon e-mailed the demo staff telling them it was alright to hard-code aspects of the driving for the video (this is opposed to the AI truly figuring everything out). Not only that, but during the production of the demo, the vehicle was fucking up and driving into things. Naturally none of this was mentioned. While the Tesla AI is ahead of any competition, instead of being forthcoming about where the strengths and weaknesses of the AI are, Elon opts to be misleading.

I actually like all four of those guys, but the idol worship and blindness to their flaws is cringe.