The problem with feminism is that it attempts to make itself palatable to others by including men. Mainstream feminism is about centering men, and that's just shit because men don't need to be equal in a system that greatly favors them.
You would prefer that men become second class citizens so they can see what it's like?
Makes sense to me anyway.
Yes but because it's not possible to do that, they should be taking up their own movement instead of hijacking womens.
Nothing gets done when groups subdivide too far, change is done through sheer numbers over how they can get the same messages to a wider audience.
A lot of what has people struggling to work together in an increasingly chaotic environment is over how we're splitting into too many subcultures. By the end of it everyone has different Lexicons and can even be mistakenly made to fight one another instead of tackling larger issues.
When groups subdivide too far, they just have to wait around three weeks to two months to watch the whole thing blow over in favor of the next drama.
They are seen as traitors by their own kind for speaking out on how the patriarchy also hurts men but it's not women's job to liberate men from themselves, a supportive group along side would be a great benefit instead of mra.
Women still have enough power to help men help women.
The problem is moreover the people who appropriate these movements for other ideas, there otherwise is benefit in numbers unless you're planning on being an Extremist who bombs shit or whatever.
The goal of a peaceful protest is to convince the enemy to put down their arms without having thrown a punch, but if you think peaceful protest won't solve anything then you are essentially pro-extremist behaviors over seeing that as the only way to get anything done.
Peaceful protesting gets nothing done, if there's one thing the french does right is that it's protests are not peaceful which gets them results.
Alright, so Misandrist Malcolm X practices then?
Same boat, men will just continue to be privileged if they aren't forced to take women more seriously, and the longer we stretch this out the more we see resurgances over their attempts to do shit like ban abortion and further the depth of the glass ceiling.
Women don't have enough power to help those that have put this system in place and still benefit from it regardless if those men identify as feminist. I can guarantee that a lot of those leftist feminist men would instead prefer to keep the system in place instead replacing it with an equal one much less a matriarchal one.
How many of those men though, and what's your basis?
I have definitely met fake feminists, or even mistaken pseudo-feminists who think they're doing the right thing in a bad way over not looking at the bigger picture, but there are a good number of men out there who think women should have equal rights (even if over thinking they need a man's guidance to get there or other gross logic). If some of that shift happens with the help of Men against themselves I say let it happen rather than forcing them to become the enemy enough to push them towards the other side of the conflict.
You otherwise basically need to kill key people to set an example of fear, similarly to how School Shootings motivated the nation. They need to know fear, as comfort is why the status quo remains, but how to accomplish that discomfort can be done through multiple avenues potentially.
You would have to go further than a George Floyd conflict though, people care more about race as a concept than they do about women. Replace George with a white Georgia and it's just collateral damage.
Side rant:The same men claiming that "women rape too!" Are also the same men refusing to believe a boy was raped by an adult female because 'most boys want sex, he was lucky!' fuck off and die.
Yeah, at least when I say "women rape too" that's not really about numbers so much as capacity. It can happen, and at a psychological basis it's worth exploring and showing concern, but Sociologically it's pretty rare.
Women are absolutely capable of raping men and if it not reported or if it's ignored and ridiculed that's still a direct result of men insisting women are weak and incapable.
In most cases I found myself having to explain how a woman could even accomplish rape.
Also not to sound like a heinous bitch but when women rape, there's no fear of being fuckin murdered
There was for mine, she made threats with a knife to more than just me.
Exceptions are a thing but very rarely is a female rapist going to kill the person they've assaulted as many rapes done by women are often within relationships with the victim and taking advantage of a victims emotional or inebriated state.
I think if a woman is already at the point of comfortably raping people, as a threat rather than coersion, even as a result of a fucked up narc on speed "becoming their abuser" like mine essentially was, then it will likely take less effort to acquire other violent traits.
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