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Chapo said: 
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

The problem with feminism is that it attempts to make itself palatable to others by including men. Mainstream feminism is about centering men, and that's just shit because men don't need to be equal in a system that greatly favors them. 

You would prefer that men become second class citizens so they can see what it's like?

Makes sense to me anyway. 

Yes but because it's not possible to do that, they should be taking up their own movement instead of hijacking womens. They are seen as traitors by their own kind for speaking out on how the patriarchy also hurts men but it's not women's job to liberate men from themselves, a supportive group along side would be a great benefit instead of mra.

Side rant:The same men claiming that "women rape too!" Are also the same men refusing to believe a boy was raped by an adult female because 'most boys want sex, he was lucky!' fuck off and die.

Yeah, at least when I say "women rape too" that's not really about numbers so much as capacity. It can happen, and at a psychological basis it's worth exploring and showing concern, but Sociologically it's pretty rare. 

 Women are absolutely capable of raping men and if it not reported or if it's ignored and ridiculed that's still a direct result of men insisting women are weak and incapable. Also not to sound like a heinous bitch but when women rape, there's no fear of being fuckin murdered so there's a very stark difference between rape even then(not saying it's acceptable not saying it doesn't count).

 Pretty sure I didn’t say it has never happened I said it doesn’t matter nobody cares and there is generally little to no trauma involved (at least for the male).

 Doesn't matter and nobody cares as a result of men not taking this crime seriously. It is men that propagate the idea to men and women that men can't be raped.

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Long live the patriarchal hierarchy !

I'd like to give a shot out, to Adam, and Noah, and Moses. A shot out to Lord Jesus Christ almighty, and one for the profit Mohammed. King Solomon ! Word ! Emory, Andrew and Tristan. Rothschilds. Shot out to Elon and the boys, Joe Rogan, let's not forget Sneako, and Richard ! And all the Father's and Brothers and Sons across the globe ! Donald and Ronald ! You know we got you !

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0 votes RE: Not trolling-The anti feminist thread (why I'm not feminist)
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

The problem with feminism is that it attempts to make itself palatable to others by including men. Mainstream feminism is about centering men, and that's just shit because men don't need to be equal in a system that greatly favors them. 

You would prefer that men become second class citizens so they can see what it's like?

Makes sense to me anyway. 

Yes but because it's not possible to do that, they should be taking up their own movement instead of hijacking womens.

Nothing gets done when groups subdivide too far, change is done through sheer numbers over how they can get the same messages to a wider audience. 

A lot of what has people struggling to work together in an increasingly chaotic environment is over how we're splitting into too many subcultures. By the end of it everyone has different Lexicons and can even be mistakenly made to fight one another instead of tackling larger issues. 

They are seen as traitors by their own kind for speaking out on how the patriarchy also hurts men but it's not women's job to liberate men from themselves, a supportive group along side would be a great benefit instead of mra.

Women still have enough power to help men help women. 

The problem is moreover the people who appropriate these movements for other ideas, there otherwise is benefit in numbers unless you're planning on being an Extremist who bombs shit or whatever. 

The goal of a peaceful protest is to convince the enemy to put down their arms without having thrown a punch, but if you think peaceful protest won't solve anything then you are essentially pro-extremist behaviors over seeing that as the only way to get anything done. 

Side rant:The same men claiming that "women rape too!" Are also the same men refusing to believe a boy was raped by an adult female because 'most boys want sex, he was lucky!' fuck off and die.

Yeah, at least when I say "women rape too" that's not really about numbers so much as capacity. It can happen, and at a psychological basis it's worth exploring and showing concern, but Sociologically it's pretty rare. 

Women are absolutely capable of raping men and if it not reported or if it's ignored and ridiculed that's still a direct result of men insisting women are weak and incapable.

In most cases I found myself having to explain how a woman could even accomplish rape. 

Also not to sound like a heinous bitch but when women rape, there's no fear of being fuckin murdered

There was for mine, she made threats with a knife to more than just me. 

 Seems to have made you hard enough to get raped.

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Chapo said: 

How severe were these double-digit count's worth of beatings? 

Any black eyes or obvious bruising? Hurt jaw? 

 I’m just implying they should be beaten regularly if they want equal rights, not suggesting they are very capable of being threatening or strong without a firearm.

Then how is this equal? 

If you beat a man, they can sue you or divorce you too. 

 Why would they? How is it not equal if I apply the same level of effort into assaulting her?

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Chapo said: 

 Seems to have made you hard enough to get raped.

Being hit is enough to get hard, it's like having a button anyone could access. 

In 1992, algolagnia was described as a physical phenomenon in which the brain interprets pain signals as pleasurable leading to psychological effects.[5][page needed][original research?] Dolf Zillmann wrote that:

...most algolagniacs see their actions as an active lust, not a motivational one. Patients with algolagnia could lead normal lives, enjoy normal arousal sequences, and indulge in fairly normal sexual intercourse, but when exposed to sexual pain, were unable to control their reaction. One woman described it as being unable to prevent her arousal or subsequent orgasm due to pain, even if she was not aroused when it began.[6]

Even the times I've been strangled and punched got me hard, an erection is not consent. Even in sparring matches for martial arts it used to be a problem, since we had to wear a groin cup, and in that case it alongside her intimidation over others it led to something horrible. 

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Chapo said: 
Chapo said: 

How severe were these double-digit count's worth of beatings? 

Any black eyes or obvious bruising? Hurt jaw? 

 I’m just implying they should be beaten regularly if they want equal rights, not suggesting they are very capable of being threatening or strong without a firearm.

Then how is this equal? 

If you beat a man, they can sue you or divorce you too. 

 Why would they? How is it not equal if I apply the same level of effort into assaulting her?

You do know normal, healthy relationships don't consist of either member beating eachother right? 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
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Lenalee said: 
Chapo said: 
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

The problem with feminism is that it attempts to make itself palatable to others by including men. Mainstream feminism is about centering men, and that's just shit because men don't need to be equal in a system that greatly favors them. 

You would prefer that men become second class citizens so they can see what it's like?

Makes sense to me anyway. 

Yes but because it's not possible to do that, they should be taking up their own movement instead of hijacking womens. They are seen as traitors by their own kind for speaking out on how the patriarchy also hurts men but it's not women's job to liberate men from themselves, a supportive group along side would be a great benefit instead of mra.

Side rant:The same men claiming that "women rape too!" Are also the same men refusing to believe a boy was raped by an adult female because 'most boys want sex, he was lucky!' fuck off and die.

Yeah, at least when I say "women rape too" that's not really about numbers so much as capacity. It can happen, and at a psychological basis it's worth exploring and showing concern, but Sociologically it's pretty rare. 

 Women are absolutely capable of raping men and if it not reported or if it's ignored and ridiculed that's still a direct result of men insisting women are weak and incapable. Also not to sound like a heinous bitch but when women rape, there's no fear of being fuckin murdered so there's a very stark difference between rape even then(not saying it's acceptable not saying it doesn't count).

 Pretty sure I didn’t say it has never happened I said it doesn’t matter nobody cares and there is generally little to no trauma involved (at least for the male).

 Doesn't matter and nobody cares as a result of men not taking this crime seriously. It is men that propagate the idea to men and women that men can't be raped.

I got that response just as often from women. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
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Chapo said: 

 Seems to have made you hard enough to get raped.

Being hit is enough to get hard, it's like having a button anyone could access. 

In 1992, algolagnia was described as a physical phenomenon in which the brain interprets pain signals as pleasurable leading to psychological effects.[5][page needed][original research?] Dolf Zillmann wrote that:

...most algolagniacs see their actions as an active lust, not a motivational one. Patients with algolagnia could lead normal lives, enjoy normal arousal sequences, and indulge in fairly normal sexual intercourse, but when exposed to sexual pain, were unable to control their reaction. One woman described it as being unable to prevent her arousal or subsequent orgasm due to pain, even if she was not aroused when it began.[6]

Even the times I've been strangled and punched got me hard, an erection is not consent. Even in sparring matches for martial arts it used to be a problem, since we had to wear a groin cup, and in that case it alongside her intimidation over others it led to something horrible. 

 Nobody cares. I’m sure you enjoyed it if she didn’t slice you up. Actually based on what you’ve said on this forum previously I’m sure if this happened you enjoyed it.

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0 votes RE: Not trolling-The anti feminist thread (why I'm not feminist)
Chapo said: 
Chapo said: 

How severe were these double-digit count's worth of beatings? 

Any black eyes or obvious bruising? Hurt jaw? 

 I’m just implying they should be beaten regularly if they want equal rights, not suggesting they are very capable of being threatening or strong without a firearm.

Then how is this equal? 

If you beat a man, they can sue you or divorce you too. 

 Why would they? How is it not equal if I apply the same level of effort into assaulting her?

You do know normal, healthy relationships don't consist of either member beating eachother right? 

 Maybe healthy, you’re delusional to think it’s “normal”.

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

The problem with feminism is that it attempts to make itself palatable to others by including men. Mainstream feminism is about centering men, and that's just shit because men don't need to be equal in a system that greatly favors them. 

You would prefer that men become second class citizens so they can see what it's like?

Makes sense to me anyway. 

Yes but because it's not possible to do that, they should be taking up their own movement instead of hijacking womens.

Nothing gets done when groups subdivide too far, change is done through sheer numbers over how they can get the same messages to a wider audience. 

A lot of what has people struggling to work together in an increasingly chaotic environment is over how we're splitting into too many subcultures. By the end of it everyone has different Lexicons and can even be mistakenly made to fight one another instead of tackling larger issues. 

When groups subdivide too far, they just have to wait around three weeks to two months to watch the whole thing blow over in favor of the next drama. 

They are seen as traitors by their own kind for speaking out on how the patriarchy also hurts men but it's not women's job to liberate men from themselves, a supportive group along side would be a great benefit instead of mra.

Women still have enough power to help men help women. 

The problem is moreover the people who appropriate these movements for other ideas, there otherwise is benefit in numbers unless you're planning on being an Extremist who bombs shit or whatever. 

The goal of a peaceful protest is to convince the enemy to put down their arms without having thrown a punch, but if you think peaceful protest won't solve anything then you are essentially pro-extremist behaviors over seeing that as the only way to get anything done. 

Peaceful protesting gets nothing done, if there's one thing the french does right is that it's protests are not peaceful which gets them results. 

Women don't have enough power to help those that have put this system in place and still benefit from it regardless if those men identify as feminist. I can guarantee that a lot of those leftist feminist men would instead prefer to keep the system in place instead replacing it with an equal one much less a matriarchal one. 

 

Side rant:The same men claiming that "women rape too!" Are also the same men refusing to believe a boy was raped by an adult female because 'most boys want sex, he was lucky!' fuck off and die.

Yeah, at least when I say "women rape too" that's not really about numbers so much as capacity. It can happen, and at a psychological basis it's worth exploring and showing concern, but Sociologically it's pretty rare. 

Women are absolutely capable of raping men and if it not reported or if it's ignored and ridiculed that's still a direct result of men insisting women are weak and incapable.

In most cases I found myself having to explain how a woman could even accomplish rape. 

Also not to sound like a heinous bitch but when women rape, there's no fear of being fuckin murdered

There was for mine, she made threats with a knife to more than just me. 

 Exceptions are a thing but very rarely is a female rapist going to kill the person they've assaulted as many rapes done by women are often within relationships with the victim and taking advantage of a victims emotional or inebriated state.  

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