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Xena said: 

This is footage from early in the war, from just outside Kyiv.

 

 

For comparison, for the other SC members, this is some excellent footage of the carnage in Syria when incendiary weapons were used there.

 

 

I was fairly sure before that what was being dropped on Azovstal was white phosphorous, not some glowy bomb  :P

Now I'm positive.

This news source, Hindustan Times is out of India. 

They love Ruzzia bc of their shared history. Ruzzia defended them recently when they needed help.

They are one of the most pro-Ruzzian countries out there.

They have confirmed it for us.

 

 

If you don't mind waiting a few hours, I can copy and paste the text into google translate for you.

 

you lost. the first video near Kyiv shows lighting ammunition. the lights descend slowly because the ammunition has parachutes. the second video in Syria does show explosions of phosphorus and other incendiary munitions. in the third video, magnesium incendiary shells for Soviet rocket systems explode over Azov Steel. magnesium incendiary ammunition is less toxic than phosphorus, but is also prohibited. Human Rights Watch has documented such munitions in Ukraine by both sides. Yes, Russians are sons of bitches, but Ukrainians are sons of bitches too.

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Dima79 said: 
you lost. the first video near Kyiv shows lighting ammunition. the lights descend slowly because the ammunition has parachutes. the second video in Syria does show explosions of phosphorus and other incendiary munitions. in the third video, magnesium incendiary shells for Soviet rocket systems explode over Azov Steel. magnesium incendiary ammunition is less toxic than phosphorus, but is also prohibited. Human Rights Watch has documented such munitions in Ukraine by both sides. Yes, Russians are sons of bitches, but Ukrainians are sons of bitches too.

i googled. incendiary ammunition is prohibited by the international convention against the civilian population only. this is allowed to be used against the enemy army.

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There were over 2000 people sheltering under Azovstal.

IIrc the news reports said around 800 of them were civilians.

There were children and infants down there.

 

I watched that footage 7 and 8 months ago.

I'll see if I can find it again.

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How the fuck would the Ukrainians be using phosphorous bombs?

They ran out of weapons a few weeks into the war.

NATO and dead Ruzzian invaders are supplying all of their weapons.

 

If NATO is refusing to give them long range rocket systems, I highly doubt they would give them phosphorous bombs.

 

I caught you.

You're just saying "no u" out your ass about the Ukrainians.

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Xena said: 

How the fuck would the Ukrainians be using phosphorous bombs?

They ran out of weapons a few weeks into the war.

NATO and dead Ruzzian invaders are supplying all of their weapons.

 

If NATO is refusing to give them long range rocket systems, I highly doubt they would give them phosphorous bombs.

 

I caught you.

You're just saying "no u" out your ass about the Ukrainians.

 you didn't understand me. I did not talk about phosphorus ammunition. I meant magnesium incendiary ammunition for the Soviet "Grad" multiple launch rocket system. such shells were used by both sides and then people mistakenly thought that they were phosphorus ammunition.

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Xena said: 

 

 

I caught you.

You're just saying "no u" out your ass about the Ukrainians.

 

I caught you! you accused the Russians of using phosphorus near Kyiv and at the Azov steel plant! these were lighting ammunition and magnesium incendiary ammunition. phosphorus munitions exude much more toxic white smoke when they explode. Ukrainians also have Soviet multiple launch rocket systems "grad". they used magnesium incendiary munitions in eastern Ukraine before the Russian invasion in 2022.

I saw on the video a crowd of prisoners from the Azov Steel Plant. and I didn't see people with burns there like in your video from Syria.


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Xena said: 

I'm pretty sure the Ruzzians started fighting in the city.

It sort of looked like the only way to get them was to send snipers, and guys with javelins in to take out the tanks.

I remember a tik tok meme of some ridiculous Kadyrovite standing between broken buildings shooting 2 guns while a tank flattened cars and benches.

So rude.

 

How is somebody supposed to dig a trench in a public city sidewalk?

Mariupol is a big place. Almost 500 000 people before the war.

Kyiv is estimating that at least 20 000 are dead and at least twice that many were deported to Ruzzia.

Are you saying that there was a way to build a trench that wasn't 10 or 20 miles away from the fighting?

Idk. I was never a soldier. 

You were.

 

I know the Ruzzians were also dropping white phosphorous all over Azovstal.

Good luck cleaning that up.

That steel plant is likely ruined beyond repair after that.

even if the trenches were close to the city, only the buildings on the outskirts would be affected, not the entire city. Donetsk is still in the zone of shelling by Ukrainian artillery. because the Ukrainians built good fortifications in the west of Donetsk. the Russians lost many troops trying to attack it. Mariupol was not prepared for war. they had to fight in the city. no evacuation of civilians was carried out, despite the fact that the Americans warned that Putin was preparing an invasion in February. 

I watched a video of Patrick Lancaster. an American who filmed a video during the storming of Mariupol. he has a clearly pro-Russian stance and covers events from one side, but nevertheless, his videos can be useful to understand what happened there.

as the Russian advance progressed, evacuation points were created in the city, but there were too few buses for a city of 500,000 people. people under fire came there, but were forced to return back, simply because they did not have enough space on the bus.

Patrick Lancaster tried to film the ruins of the Mariupol Drama Theater and when he went down to the basement, the soldier accompanying him ordered him to leave. this is very suspicious. looks like the Russians have something to hide.
I started looking for information on the Internet. found that amnesty international had compiled a report:

"The exact number of victims of the attack has not yet been established, but according to Amnesty International, it is much lower than previously reported.
In the early days of the Russian invasion, Mariupol was almost completely cut off from communications, electricity, water and heating.
Immediately after the attack, the Mariupol city council said that about 300 people had died. AP journalists in their investigation noted that the number of victims could be twice as high.
Evidence collected by Amnesty International indicates that many people managed to leave the theater shortly before the attack, including on 14 and 15 March, when the "green corridors" began to operate.
Of those who remained in the theatre, most were able to stay in the safer areas of the building, in particular the front of the theater and the basement, which were protected from the direct impact of the blast.
But those people who were in the field kitchen outside the building, as well as directly on the stage and in the front rows of the audience, most likely received serious injuries and died.
Amnesty was able to collect data confirming the deaths of 12 people, but this is only a fraction of the dead - many of the bodies remain unidentified."

some Russian websites report that the Russians thought that all civilians had been evacuated and that the building was occupied by the Ukrainian army.

there are sites that claim that it was the Ukrainians who blew up something shellless inside. I would like to watch Ukrainians scoop out explosives from RPG grenades and artillery shells with spoons in order to collect enough shellless explosives ... this version is clearly for idiots. :-)





Dima79
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Yes. the storming of Mariupol can be considered a war crime. the Russians could not have been unaware that no one had been evacuated from the city. they were ill-prepared for the mass evacuation of civilians from the city. they could lay siege to the city and wait for the civilians to leave the city before launching an assault. they could force the Ukrainian army and the Azov regiment to surrender without a fight, because Zelensky never sent reinforcements.


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