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BT, on people who are born with serious diseases spiritually ?


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this is not really advice or guidance seeking,  this is more curiosity on why do you think so many human beings' spirits incarnate into lifetimes of pain and suffering from having serious illnesses,  mental such as mental illness or physical such as cancer or deformities that make them feel different and excluded from other people and all of the associated feelings of shame and guilt for limitations that are seemingly beyond their control to change ?

 

 

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Well, this is only my opinion, and borrowed heavily from Spiritism (which, for me, is where I tend to go to for reincarnation-based beliefs a lot), so I'd never suggest this as advice or guidance.  If you're curious beyond my opinion, this is where I'd look for further ideas.

We have to change our perspective a bit on what the earthly/material life means, when you consider reincarnation.  There is no time limit to our development, but it is a constant driving force behind each successive incarnation.  Apparently, our spirit has the choice as to which life they are to incarnate (though, Spiritism also says that some incarnations are imposed by God, and I couldn't even say why this would happen if the spirits consider it also a mystery sometimes).  So, consider each of our incarnations as elective courses for our development.

Now, why would someone choose the kind of life you describe?  I think one way to consider it is what kind of lessons might be learned, and sometimes it is because of something missed or lacking in a past life or more.  Was vanity a problem?  Humility?  Self-sufficiency or, conversely, learning to depend on others?  Spiritism also points out that, while you may be concerned with your own development, your life/incarnation might also be a part of another's development.  (The spirits talk about this when asked about the use in stillborn or abortion or suicide, and other early/unnatural deaths.)

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(I think I should point out that it's not likely as simple as one "theme" or lesson per incarnation.  More like a whole host of things a life can offer for the spirit to try and learn from.  And when choosing a life, the spirit doesn't know what will happen, it's more what is possible or available.)

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yeah I think that all of this makes a lot of sense  especially about learning lessons that your soul just had no concept of in a past life  I wonder if you can choose lifetimes just to enjoy ever ?  like can you choose lifetimes where you just party and enjoy life mostly ?  like especially maybe after you go through a difficult life of lessons ?

 

I have also heard that the in between lifetimes realm is pretty relaxing,  and maybe once you are relaxed and calm in there you would be willing to go through another difficult lifetime  but Idk,  I want my next lifetime to be an easy party life probably at least from the perspective that I am in presently

 

 

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yeah I think that all of this makes a lot of sense  especially about learning lessons that your soul just had no concept of in a past life  I wonder if you can choose lifetimes just to enjoy ever ?  like can you choose lifetimes where you just party and enjoy life mostly ?  like especially maybe after you go through a difficult life of lessons ?

Respite periods?  I don't know.  There are lives with no advancement.  It isn't a requirement, but kind of feels like a waste.  And even that kind of life experience -- one of indulgence -- is possibly seen as a lesson to learn.  Kind of like "getting it out of your system".  I think spirits (and thus "spiritually", and that does mean us, incarnate or not, being spirits) view things differently on either side of "the veil" (incarnate vs discarnate).

I have also heard that the in between lifetimes realm is pretty relaxing,  and maybe once you are relaxed and calm in there you would be willing to go through another difficult lifetime  but Idk,  I want my next lifetime to be an easy party life probably at least from the perspective that I am in presently

Between lifetimes is a transition period usually, from what the spirits themselves describe.  After just coming from incarnation, it's often a period of confusion and readjustment.  Then one has that time, I guess, to reflect and choose their next incarnation, among other things (like reconnecting with spirits you have had relationship with, and so on).  Our view of our past incarnations and the future is probably put in a vastly different frame of perception.  The number of lives and things we've gone through already is probably hard to fathom this side of incarnation, as well as the influence this has on us now and that spirits are having in our lives even when we're not aware.  Whole lifetimes of relationships, maybe even over incarnations-worth, and more, that we're unaware of.

I don't want to go and quote all the stuff about this, but all of it is free to read about: https://cei-spiritistcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Spirits-Book.pdf

You don't even have to read it all through; just pick the question/topic you have.  It's all presented in a kind of Q&A of the spirits themselves.  (I ever got into Spiritism at all from an interest in mediums and mediumship, which they also have books on, with the spirits giving Q&A about that, as well.)

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To be honest, I never really felt the math added up on ideas of reincarnation before, but I think that's just parochial thinking.  What really resonated with me on the concept and Spiritism's take on it is that it really does meld both mercy, justice and evolution in a more intuitively reasonable fashion.

It shows God's infinite patience and lets free will do its thing, work out itself among itself, and other reasons that can become more self-evident.

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To be honest, I never really felt the math added up on ideas of reincarnation before, but I think that's just parochial thinking.  What really resonated with me on the concept and Spiritism's take on it is that it really does meld both mercy, justice and evolution in a more intuitively reasonable fashion.

It shows God's infinite patience and lets free will do its thing, work out itself among itself, and other reasons that can become more self-evident.

 

In what ways do the math not add up ?  to me,  It makes more sense than any other afterlife ideas  do you just believe in ceasing of consciousness after death ?  and if so what about the theory that energy cannot be destroyed only transformed ?

 

 

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yeah,  If I cannot have an easy party life of indulgence in this lifetime then I want one in my next lifetime  I am not really a partier,  but I probably would be if I had a best friend who was a partier because I have seen how my personality changes depending on who I am in a codependent relationship with,  such as when I lived with my ex Phill I became much faster energetically,  more creative,  and enjoyed all parts of his lifestyle except I never smoked crack even once but I was around people smoking it a lot and spent time in crack dens I mean where I was living was a crack den before we kind of took it over and made the basement our bedroom lol

 

btw this should probably explain my obsession with Michael Majlak to anyone curious,  I wanted to have a codependent relationship with him so that I could party and explore the world with him,  but I also had a psychotic manic break during my time living in hollywood when I first introduced myself to him and so if he did read what I was messaging him,  I can see in hindsight why he would not be trying to meet up with me in person back then lol  :p  because I was saying things like I was Lilith and I pretty much hated men and wanted them all wiped off of the planet lol

 

 

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I just felt there were more people being born, so where are these souls coming from?  I was rather young and then just dismissed it.  Of course, God could create more souls or the souls might come from other places or any number of reasons, which I think the spirits explain some.  Though, they do state their origins are a bit of a mystery even to them, anyway, I think.  While their memories are vast, they are also retained better over time and whether they are useful or not, so even spirits kind of had that "infant" period of adjusting to being aware and alive, and "remembering to remember".

I prefer to remain agnostic on any certainty of the afterlife or perpetuity of existence, though much about logic and intuition leads me to believe there is a continuance of consciousness.  It's just going to remain a mystery what the nature and experience of it will be until that time, I guess.

The principle of conservation of energy is a material symbol of the existential reality of...well, reality.  However, I'd have to look back into that again, because I believe there are theoretical proofs where that might not be as absolute a truth as it is theorized.  Also, there's much to be said about truth and mystery and perception this side of the Problem of Induction (etc.).

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last edit on 8/27/2022 10:46:47 PM
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yeah,  If I cannot have an easy party life of indulgence in this lifetime then I want one in my next lifetime  I am not really a partier,  but I probably would be if I had a best friend who was a partier because I have seen how my personality changes depending on who I am in a codependent relationship with,  such as when I lived with my ex Phill I became must faster energetically,  more creative,  and enjoyed all parts of his lifestyle except I never smoked crack even once but I was around people smoking it a lot and spent time in crack dens I mean where I was living was a crack den before we kind of took it over and made the basement our bedroom lol

 

btw this should probably explain my obsession with Michael Majlak to anyone curious,  I wanted to have a codependent relationship with him so that I could party and explore the world with him,  but I also had a psychotic break during my time living in hollywood when I first introduced myself to him and so if he did read what I was messaging him,  I can see in hindsight why he would not be trying to meet up with me in person back then lol  :p  because I was saying things like I was Lilith and I pretty much hated men and wanted them all wiped off of the planet lol

You can do whatever you want in any lifetime; it's just whether or not you focus on whatever it is you learn to grow from.  You have as much time, including as many lifetimes, as you need to do it.  All the pressure or motivation only comes from yourself.  The pure spirits, the good spirits, are all there for when we want to listen to them, as much as the bad or earthly spirits are there to try and bring us down or prevent our own growth (out of some selfish desires of their own).

There isn't any "have to" about it.  You are responsible for your own life experience, for being better or worse or not changing at all.  We all struggle with a sort of blindness there in our incarnations; it's hard to feel motivated for this abstract "betterness" when there's so much surrounding us that looks like no evidence of it.  So why do all the work right?  Where's the reward?

I'm not offering any answers or anything.  I'd also be a bit suspect of anyone knowing answers for you when you aren't discovering them yourselves, or else having experience of the truth of it.  That's not to say that there's no value in others wisdom and experience or even their feelings.  The spirits claim to talk to us all the time to try and help.

...I may have gotten a little off-track, but I hope you catch my drift. XD

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