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Virtue and Vice Signaling on the Rise?


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Have you guys been seeing this shit? I swear it's getting more and more popular: 

"Virtue signalling", according to The Cambridge Dictionary, is "an attempt to show other people that you are a good person, for example by expressing opinions that will be acceptable to them, especially on social media." The expression is often used to imply that the virtue being signalled is exaggerated or insincere.
A Vice-signaller (by contrast) boasts about sneaking meat into a vegetarian meal. He will rush on to social media to denounce as a 'snowflake' any woman who objects to receiving rape threats, or any minority unhappy at a racist joke...Vice-signallers have understood that there is money to be made in the outrage economy by playing the villain. Perhaps, secretly, they buy their clothes at the zero-waste shop and help out at the local food bank, but cannot be caught doing so lest their image is destroyed.

"Vice signalling" has been used variously elsewhere, to refer either to "show[ing] you are tough, hard-headed, a dealer in uncomfortable truths, and, above all, that you live in 'the real world'", in a way that goes beyond what actual pragmatism requires, or to "a public display of immorality, intended to create a community based on cruelty and disregard for others, which is proud of it at the same time."

It's always been a thing for ad hominem strikes, but I'm starting to see the concept become increasingly referred to overtime, normalizing the terms. We've been seeing groups splintering, and my guess is that an insincere display of virtue (or vice) is like the glue between them through appeals to emotion as a shortcut, similar to forming a Bandwagon but with no central figure. 

Where is this trend headed, what's the next step for it? What happens when signaling becomes passé? 

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last edit on 7/25/2022 6:23:26 PM
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A Tara Mooknee video did a good job going in depth on it, but I don't expect 25 minutes of patience from anyone here. All the same I'll leave the video here: 

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I can't stand those Instagram reels of people doing good deeds and paying for groceries or giving shit to homeless people. Baffling that anyone would consider that heartwarming, it's shameless self-promotion at best, and exploitation/poverty porn at worst. 

Haven't come across vice signalling though. I would have intuitively thought that'd be those people who act like their lives are falling apart for the aesthetic. 

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Outro said: 

I can't stand those Instagram reels of people doing good deeds and paying for groceries or giving shit to homeless people. Baffling that anyone would consider that heartwarming, it's shameless self-promotion at best, and exploitation/poverty porn at worst. 

 

 I agree with that. The only videos of good deeds are captured from surveillance or dash cams, or someone who happened to capture the good deed.

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poverty porn

Haven't come across vice signalling though. I would have intuitively thought that'd be those people who act like their lives are falling apart for the aesthetic. 

You likely have come across it. 

If you want some examples, skip to the 18:30 mark on the video. We see quite a lot of it. 

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poverty porn

Haven't come across vice signalling though. I would have intuitively thought that'd be those people who act like their lives are falling apart for the aesthetic. 

You likely have come across it. 

If you want some examples, skip to the 18:30 mark on the video. We see quite a lot of it. 

Ok yeah, if that's the definition then it's ubiquitous. To date my favorite videos on the internet are of Jordan Peterson railing about snowflakes and woke moralists, and then crying about Antifa lmao

I just assumed it meant people who adopt a mentally ill trainwreck persona because they think it's edgy or cute.

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The signaling is meant to imply an ingroup rather than spotlight a single individual. 

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Ok yeah, if that's the definition then it's ubiquitous. To date my favorite videos on the internet are of Jordan Peterson railing about snowflakes and woke moralists, and then crying about Antifa lmao

Which video is this?

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Ok yeah, if that's the definition then it's ubiquitous. To date my favorite videos on the internet are of Jordan Peterson railing about snowflakes and woke moralists, and then crying about Antifa lmao

Which video is this?

 

I'm pretty sure it was edited out of the interview that Peterson published (although to be frank I just can't be fucked watching the full thing to see if it's in there). This is the full interview below.

If JP crying is your jam though, there are many funny examples.

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People are becoming more conscious of how they present due to cancel culture and the continued integration of social media, and vice signaling is like a "counterculture". From what I understand, each generation's development in some part contains a rejection or refinement of what it's critical of from the one before it. So after gen Z, there will perhaps be a disdain for elements of social media (though it's too useful to outright reject).

People have long criticized how many use social media for self-aggrandizement, but it also seems like too much of a dopamine trap to successfully shame that into ostracism. I think part of why it's so difficult to shame is also that it can be difficult to discern what's for show vs what is real. And, like you said, there is some comfort found in the commonality of stances.

last edit on 7/27/2022 8:23:31 AM
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