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Hemp could also replace oil as a way to power... everything. For dirt cheap. We could literally end all war by switching all our energy consumption to hemp based sources. It is literally a weed and super cheap to grow and harvest. Unlike frakking and drilling for fossil fuels.

This is the real reason the cons hate Trudeau so much.

 

Maybe some of the deniers are starting to wake up to the fact that climate change has gone so far that we need a fast alternative.

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Canary said: 

So you really think why they bothered with legalizing it is as simple as a price increase on hemp? 

I'm just asking you what you think is why they legalized it now, rather than later or earlier, and your answer is effectively "Hemp's scarcity is higher now, and people know the truth about the drug", which is the most surface level read for reasoning through this I've seen. 

Come on now. 

- Government Money Grab. It's what they call a cash crop. ( Mentioned more than once )

This would have been a cash crop if done earlier, too, the same cash crop that in the past would have hurt existing businesses. 

I'm questioning what the tipping point was. 

- The Boomer era, which was an economic boom in technology and other products which established today's materials, plus today those materials are set in stone. ( Mentioned once )

This is where you mentioned hemp, then implied that it's scarcity is why it's allowed..? 

Following that you began making some weird point of repeating yourself as if you weren't being listened to, when I am only stuck asking the same questions over how you didn't really address the point of it. 

I find the timing of legalization suspicious over how not much was really that different otherwise, it makes me question the larger motivation. 

1) The Woody Harrelson movie Grass was immensely popular among GenXers and boomers..

A movie from 2000..?

There was tons of weed media dating back to the 60s and 70s, ranging from shit like Cheech and Chong to Fritz the Cat. There has been no shortage of pot friendly media for people who'd be at least 50+ by now. 

2) Huge numbers of people already smoke the stuff, anyway. Here in Canada it was one of those things that was technically illegal for as long as I can remember, but nobody ever bothered to enforce the laws outside of election years.

Google reports around 17% of Canadians. 

3) Anita Sarkeezian happened. The alt right douchebro community. Without realizing it, the right wing fucked themselves by aiming their pitches at young angry white men (who have traditionally aimed their fist waving leftward.) One thing young guys do that old Xtians don't do is party and play video games. And thus, without knowing it, the right created a new market for weed. 

...you're pinning all of this on Anita? 🤣

4) Our gvt figured out how to turn the sale of a relatively cheap highschool hustle into huge profits for them. Years ago, people would spend $75 on a quarter oz and divvie it up into 8 or 10 dimes, plus one for personal use. Each sold for $15. (No, it's not my math that's off lol) Mostly, they just sold enough to fund their own habit plus chips. There was not a huge amount of money to be made outside of homegrown operations requiring farmland and a huge network of distributors. The profit margin is probably worse than selling t shirts at Giant Tiger.

So effectively... their control over the price is reason enough here? 

By comparison, here in the US it's more expensive to get it legitimately, but the quality tends to be better and more measured; You can design what kind of high you're going for rather than hoping for the best from some random baggie. There is still a street market here that sells cheaper but the demand is over 'the good stuff', making for a market price increase that contrasts it's cheaper black market value. 

This same money had the room to be made earlier, people understood the plant very well decades before now, founding methods overtime such as Hydroponic growth of Cannabis in the 80s. The only major development I've seen surface since business oriented cultivation is control over Terpenes, and I don't see why all of this couldn't have happened earlier or been delayed to happen later when very little has actually changed. 

I suspect there are reasons outside of our grasp that account for this. 

It's also much more difficult to sell it from behind a counter at a store, because the same annoying laws that apply to advertising cigarettes also apply to advertising weed. So we can't make it look "cool" or glamorous or cute.

You can here in the states anyway, but you typically only see it within the stores. 

Effectively they're treating weed adverts like lewds, requiring you to be 18+ to look at them. 

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We had cannabis shops before it was legal. I've been to Cannaclinic.

You go there, fill out a forum, no doctor's note required, as a matter of fact, they don't even want to know.

Walk in..... Loooong line up. A screen would show which strains are in stock with it's THC CBD reading.

My friend who passed away used to supply Cannaclinic. Not all obviously but a significant enough amount for them to buy in bulk.

Canna had days where they would be sold out. Other times the police would raid the place, and it's back up and running the next day. I don't know if they're still open.

About Cannabis shelf life. First I'll mention the half pound of cannabis I showed you here is actually the 2nd and 3rd  quarter pounds I had. Before the pandemic started, I acquired the first quarter pound ( $200 )  and even though I gave some of it away, that one lasted 3 years.

If I never gave away any of this weed. It would certainly take me 10 years to finish 1/3 of a pound of weed. As for the first quarter pound, it's 3 years old and still it hasn't gone bad.

The government regulations might still be on the right track, cause mass storage could be vulnerable to water damage, which happened once and the cannabis was infused with mold.

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You absolutely don't know.

Don't know what? There are many things I don't know, but I know what Occam's razor is.

Occam's razor is for the development of theoretical models.

Occam's razor is a probabilistic proposition that you can in principle apply to any claim or statement. It's more likely that the next person you meet will have brown eyes than both purple hair and red eyes, although both hypotheses are possible. Once you meet a person with purple hair and red eyes, the evidence overcomes Occam's razor.

I never made a hypothesis nor did fail to make a case, some of my, as you say, case, is present in the OP.

I was referring to your claims of, hemp fuel. What you claimed about hemp fuel was a proposition. That proposition has an opposing proposition. Those two propositions form two hypotheses, and the two hypotheses compete with one another. I'm saying that the Occam's razor, in lieu of some pretty compelling evidence, disfavors your hypothesis.

Everything I mentioned here is self evident, and I provided some already.

It's self evident that big business fears hemp because it has over 5000 use cases and that it would've destroyed the big oil and there's a global conspiracy by the big business to get rid of hemp?

TC's question in a nutshell is "Why legalize it now, why not sooner or later ?" That's all. There's nothing to agree with there, it's just a question mate. A question I replied to again and again.

I don't really mind whether or not it's legal.

I also told TC that he can't learn from me. His ego won't allow it. He settles for "No there has to be a bigger picture, it can't be that". And has yet to provide any material. In a deluded way, your Occam's razor rejects the two of you, as your only material are questions and doubt, rrgardless of what I say.

Well it's the evidence that would reject the Occam's razor. I politely answered your question after you called me out on it and said you wouldn't respond to me if I didn't answer your question.

What's left to prove ? The timeline of the economic boom ? That Justin Trudeau was planning on legalization before he was elected ? That diesel engines can run on hemp bio fuel ? The propaganda from mainstream ? Maybe you want proof that cannabis has a multi billion dollar industry in Canada alone ?

No, those are all facts. However, you've also alluded to hemp fuel trumping traditional fuel, that big businesses are afraid of it because it would've destroyed the oil industry, and I presume also that you believe it was the big businesses that banned hemp to make big profit, although I could be wrong about that last bit.

What's proven about TC is he lies, and with that I csn assure you his standards of evidence has been quite laughable for the community. If that's what he must prove then good for him. That doesn't make or break my perspective.

I have no qualms with this statement; I don't know what his standard is, and I agree that he occasionally lies.

"The" counter arguments sounds vague. While this subject so far involves thousands of use cases and politics.

At this point Hemp is impractical to use as fuel because of it's price. Hemp farmers also want more for their crop. I touched on that earlier about supply demand. It's low supply. If you ask me, the best vehicle to replace the combustion engine is the hydro powered car, which is basically a refuelable electric car. And like all cars, that too would be greater if it had the hemp bodywork and other components.

Fair. The efficiency is also low, from what I understood from the counter arguments.

In all honesty I never argued any of this. My only complaint here is TC's repeated question, which at one point entailed "why not the future ?" despite implementing the painfully obvious with actual history, his standards for learning seems pretty weak in that regard. 

Alright.

In any case, it doesn't seem like you've really read any of the posts here.

I did read a subset, but admittedly not all.

I assume you're here trying to impress TC for when you fly to Ohio and go running into his arms.

Not really. TC isn't going to meet me.

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Xena said: 

Hemp could also replace oil as a way to power... everything. For dirt cheap. We could literally end all war by switching all our energy consumption to hemp based sources. It is literally a weed and super cheap to grow and harvest. Unlike frakking and drilling for fossil fuels.

This is the real reason the cons hate Trudeau so much.

 

Maybe some of the deniers are starting to wake up to the fact that climate change has gone so far that we need a fast alternative.

 

Where are you getting the data to make your decision on fast? The world is not going to end in 5 years.

The earth has been much warmer and more lush green in the past. and here we are.

 

Start building safe nuclear plants now. Transition out coal and oil over 30 years. Stop being an alarmist "emergency" propaganda spreader.

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!
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You absolutely don't know.

Don't know what? There are many things I don't know, but I know what Occam's razor is.

I was agreeing with you when you said you don't know. If you did know the conversation would be different, as opposed to you guys waiting for me to fuel your doubts with more data.

Occam's razor is for the development of theoretical models.

Occam's razor is a probabilistic proposition that you can in principle apply to any claim or statement. It's more likely that the next person you meet will have brown eyes than both purple hair and red eyes, although both hypotheses are possible. Once you meet a person with purple hair and red eyes, the evidence overcomes Occam's razor.

It's not very useful when you've been presented with facts. Occam's razor is something that should be done in silence, not flashed around and making it the subject. Otherwise the conversation won't be productive. In this case It also insinuates I'm incorrect, while you couldn't argue to know the subject.

 

I never made a hypothesis nor did fail to make a case, some of my, as you say, case, is present in the OP.

I was referring to your claims of, hemp fuel. What you claimed about hemp fuel was a proposition. That proposition has an opposing proposition. Those two propositions form two hypotheses, and the two hypotheses compete with one another. I'm saying that the Occam's razor, in lieu of some pretty compelling evidence, disfavors your hypothesis.

You mentioned that fuel companies would then switch to selling hemp bio fuel, but that would only make the market more competitive since anyone would be able to whip up a batch of fuel. Obtaining oil is a different story. For that reason they sell oil.

 

Everything I mentioned here is self evident, and I provided some already.

It's self evident that big business fears hemp because it has over 5000 use cases and that it would've destroyed the big oil and there's a global conspiracy by the big business to get rid of hemp?

It would've destroyed a number of businesses. It takes 20 to 50 years or so to grow a tree, yet we use trees to produce paper.

Hemp paper is higher quality, the plant grows in 3 months, the soil is in better condition than it was before growing hemp on it. It wins in every category. Hemp was also widely used, but it was taken off the market, for chemical based products. This is not a conspiracy theory but an actual fact. Even money was hemp based, but it's been exchanged for the inferior and less practical paper we use to date.

TC's question in a nutshell is "Why legalize it now, why not sooner or later ?" That's all. There's nothing to agree with there, it's just a question mate. A question I replied to again and again.

I don't really mind whether or not it's legal.

Okay but as you agree with TC, it's just a repetitive question. It's like "Why now and not in the year 3000 ? ....Oh yeah I agree good point." Thin air.

I also told TC that he can't learn from me. His ego won't allow it. He settles for "No there has to be a bigger picture, it can't be that". And has yet to provide any material. In a deluded way, your Occam's razor rejects the two of you, as your only material are questions and doubt, rrgardless of what I say.

Well it's the evidence that would reject the Occam's razor. I politely answered your question after you called me out on it and said you wouldn't respond to me if I didn't answer your question.

I Posted evidence. I even posted Trudeau's pre election smear campaign that backfired on the Harper government. Video footage of Henry Ford in the flesh with his car made with and running on hemp. What more do you need ?

What's left to prove ? The timeline of the economic boom ? That Justin Trudeau was planning on legalization before he was elected ? That diesel engines can run on hemp bio fuel ? The propaganda from mainstream ? Maybe you want proof that cannabis has a multi billion dollar industry in Canada alone ?

No, those are all facts. However, you've also alluded to hemp fuel trumping traditional fuel, that big businesses are afraid of it because it would've destroyed the oil industry, and I presume also that you believe it was the big businesses that banned hemp to make big profit, although I could be wrong about that last bit.

Bruh. All biofuels are a threat to the oil industry. Science knows that hydrogen is more combustible than gasoline and we can extract it from water.

The Ford EV1 was also scrapped, why ? Big oil never liked it. The DNC doesn't like Tesla Motors either. They forced competition with EV's.

What's proven about TC is he lies, and with that I csn assure you his standards of evidence has been quite laughable for the community. If that's what he must prove then good for him. That doesn't make or break my perspective.

I have no qualms with this statement; I don't know what his standard is, and I agree that he occasionally lies.

Okay. Before you were boasting quality of standard when it came to that guy. When asked my opinion, I'd tell you TC's way is to ask questions, and bend the answer. That is a well known issue he has around here. This time it's question and doubt. You drank his kool-aid and now you thing the burden of proof is on me. Shame.

"The" counter arguments sounds vague. While this subject so far involves thousands of use cases and politics.

At this point Hemp is impractical to use as fuel because of it's price. Hemp farmers also want more for their crop. I touched on that earlier about supply demand. It's low supply. If you ask me, the best vehicle to replace the combustion engine is the hydro powered car, which is basically a refuelable electric car. And like all cars, that too would be greater if it had the hemp bodywork and other components.

Fair. The efficiency is also low, from what I understood from the counter arguments.

In all honesty I never argued any of this. My only complaint here is TC's repeated question, which at one point entailed "why not the future ?" despite implementing the painfully obvious with actual history, his standards for learning seems pretty weak in that regard. 

Alright.

In any case, it doesn't seem like you've really read any of the posts here.

I did read a subset, but admittedly not all.

I assume you're here trying to impress TC for when you fly to Ohio and go running into his arms.

Not really. TC isn't going to meet me.

 Occam's razor doesn't guarantee you'll be right, especially against people who know what their talking about.

Ultimately my claim is. If Aliens came and saw Hemp, they would take some and anticipate a bright future with this plant.

Plastic that is stronger and lighter than steel 10 fold ? Cars shouldn't rust. But to say the least, super cars at least have bodywork that won't rust. A modern civilization that uses hemp would cringe or laugh if they saw how we're prospering.

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I was agreeing with you when you said you don't know. If you did know the conversation would be different, as opposed to you guys waiting for me to fuel your doubts with more data.

Do you know how the burden of proof works?

It's not very useful when you've been presented with facts. Occam's razor is something that should be done in silence, not flashed around and making it the subject. Otherwise the conversation won't be productive. In this case It also insinuates I'm incorrect, while you couldn't argue to know the subject.

Well I would say it's likely that you're incorrect, in lieu of proving your case.

I was referring to your claims of, hemp fuel. What you claimed about hemp fuel was a proposition. That proposition has an opposing proposition. Those two propositions form two hypotheses, and the two hypotheses compete with one another. I'm saying that the Occam's razor, in lieu of some pretty compelling evidence, disfavors your hypothesis.
You mentioned that fuel companies would then switch to selling hemp bio fuel, but that would only make the market more competitive since anyone would be able to whip up a batch of fuel. Obtaining oil is a different story. For that reason they sell oil.


Spatial... You have a company. All other companies are doing oil. You realize hemp is better and more profitable to the point you would absolutely dominate the market with it. On a scale of 1 to 10 how stupid would you be not to switch to hemp? On a scale from 1 to 10 how likely is it that every company in the world, globally, is stupid enough not to switch to hemp? Or did the companies globally decide in one swoop conspiracy theory to not touch hemp so they can continue to exploit people and the atmosphere?

It would've destroyed a number of businesses. It takes 20 to 50 years or so to grow a tree, yet we use trees to produce paper.

Hemp paper is higher quality, the plant grows in 3 months, the soil is in better condition than it was before growing hemp on it. It wins in every category. Hemp was also widely used, but it was taken off the market, for chemical based products. This is not a conspiracy theory but an actual fact. Even money was hemp based, but it's been exchanged for the inferior and less practical paper we use to date.

https://www.alternet.org/2008/02/debunking_the_hemp_conspiracy_theory/

That was the first link. It took me less than 1 minute and you failed to address or acknowledge any of these opposing claims. You failed to meet the scientific standard again.

I Posted evidence. I even posted Trudeau's pre election smear campaign that backfired on the Harper government. Video footage of Henry Ford in the flesh with his car made with and running on hemp. What more do you need ?

What more do I need? I've said, several times, and I continue to say the same thing: A solid understanding of the opposing arguments and addressing them. You simply narrate the propaganda that they're shoving down every marijuana user's throat instead of doing the one thing you should do, because you are unable to do it and do not understand how burden of proof or Occam's razor works, with all due respect.

Okay. Before you were boasting quality of standard when it came to that guy. When asked my opinion, I'd tell you TC's way is to ask questions, and bend the answer. That is a well known issue he has around here. This time it's question and doubt. You drank his kool-aid and now you thing the burden of proof is on me. Shame.

Then I retract it.

Occam's razor doesn't guarantee you'll be right, especially against people who know what their talking about.

No, but it increases the likelihood that I'm right, and I don't have any reason to think you know what you're talking about except your say-so, no disrespect.

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I was agreeing with you when you said you don't know. If you did know the conversation would be different, as opposed to you guys waiting for me to fuel your doubts with more data.

Do you know how the burden of proof works?

Yes. But you're insisting I provide proof when I did. You also never read the post as you admitted yet suggest I'm burdened by not providing any evidence. You also agree with TC who only asked the same question.

It's not very useful when you've been presented with facts. Occam's razor is something that should be done in silence, not flashed around and making it the subject. Otherwise the conversation won't be productive. In this case It also insinuates I'm incorrect, while you couldn't argue to know the subject.

Well I would say it's likely that you're incorrect, in lieu of proving your case.

Okay, but I'll remind you that you admitted to not reading the posts and the best you can come up with is I'm likely incorrect.

I was referring to your claims of, hemp fuel. What you claimed about hemp fuel was a proposition. That proposition has an opposing proposition. Those two propositions form two hypotheses, and the two hypotheses compete with one another. I'm saying that the Occam's razor, in lieu of some pretty compelling evidence, disfavors your hypothesis.
You mentioned that fuel companies would then switch to selling hemp bio fuel, but that would only make the market more competitive since anyone would be able to whip up a batch of fuel. Obtaining oil is a different story. For that reason they sell oil.


Spatial... You have a company. All other companies are doing oil. You realize hemp is better and more profitable to the point you would absolutely dominate the market with it. On a scale of 1 to 10 how stupid would you be not to switch to hemp?

Hemp is better, but not profitable because it can only run in certain engines. Most engines can't run on biofuel. If you for example built hemp biofuel stations, you'd be fucked cause hardly anyone has the required hardware to run their vehicles on biofuel. You've have to have a guy walk up to each car, and tell them your fuel is different, and turn them away.

On a scale from 1 to 10 how likely is it that every company in the world, globally, is stupid enough not to switch to hemp? Or did the companies globally decide in one swoop conspiracy theory to not touch hemp so they can continue to exploit people and the atmosphere?

Oil is valuable because it's rare. One doesn't just go to the park and pull oil from under a rock. Whoever owns the land, owns the oil reserve. This incentivises the oil industry to push oil, not switch to something else EVERYONE can access starting with some seeds, soil and water. The oil industry is selling something we simply don't have access to. If an oil company switched to Hemp, they would get destroyed. The less competition, the more profitable.

Since greed is the name of the game, switching to hemp would've been a stupid move, because it's more easily accessed.

Another thing about big oil. It has other use cases, like cloth made with oil. A quick google search indicates oil has 6,000 use cases. Hemp having 25,000 use cases, I'm sure it knows most of oil's tricks, or maybe all of them who knows. Still it's better to burn hemp.

It would've destroyed a number of businesses. It takes 20 to 50 years or so to grow a tree, yet we use trees to produce paper.

Hemp paper is higher quality, the plant grows in 3 months, the soil is in better condition than it was before growing hemp on it. It wins in every category. Hemp was also widely used, but it was taken off the market, for chemical based products. This is not a conspiracy theory but an actual fact. Even money was hemp based, but it's been exchanged for the inferior and less practical paper we use to date.

https://www.alternet.org/2008/02/debunking_the_hemp_conspiracy_theory/

That was the first link. It took me less than 1 minute and you failed to address or acknowledge any of these opposing claims. You failed to meet the scientific standard again.

None of the debunks my claims. And fact remains, "Hemp is the most useful plant on Planet Earth. Period" I'll also throw in how hemp's cousin cannabis was demonized racially as it was being addressed by it's Mexican name Marijuana.

Dupont patents it's chemical based materials. None of their materials can hold a candle to hemp either. Another part that. Another part of the article about how it was made illegal in the first place reads:

"The campaign against cannabis heated up after Repeal. "I wish I could show you what a small marihuana cigaret can do to one of our degenerate Spanish-speaking residents," a Colorado newspaper editor wrote in 1936. "The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a DEADLY DRUG, and American children must be PROTECTED AGAINST IT," the Hearst newspapers editorialized."

Today, science knows cannabis isn't fatal, and how our brain literally has THC receptors. Like I said, we're more educated on the matter. Another thing about that, we weren't really able to tell the difference between Hemp and Cannabis until the 1960's when THC was discovered.

The Hemp Conspiracy was written in 2006 by Author Paul Wylie.

"The new book by Paul Wylie, detailing his illegal arrest while farming hemp in Nicaragua. The book provides evidence of a US-led conspiracy to eradicate the renewable hemp resource, and those who farm it."

I Posted evidence. I even posted Trudeau's pre election smear campaign that backfired on the Harper government. Video footage of Henry Ford in the flesh with his car made with and running on hemp. What more do you need ?

What more do I need? I've said, several times, and I continue to say the same thing: A solid understanding of the opposing arguments and addressing them. You simply narrate the propaganda that they're shoving down every marijuana user's throat instead of doing the one thing you should do, because you are unable to do it and do not understand how burden of proof or Occam's razor works, with all due respect.

Well bring the opposing arguments here. It's not my job to appease the way your brain works, but if you ask me, the opposing arguments come from places of doubt. My claim is hemp is the best plant ever and everything it produces is impressive.

Okay. Before you were boasting quality of standard when it came to that guy. When asked my opinion, I'd tell you TC's way is to ask questions, and bend the answer. That is a well known issue he has around here. This time it's question and doubt. You drank his kool-aid and now you thing the burden of proof is on me. Shame.

Then I retract it.

You still seem to think the burden of proof is on me, but more like I should be the one to deal out counter arguments to MY OWN claims. 

Occam's razor doesn't guarantee you'll be right, especially against people who know what their talking about.

No, but it increases the likelihood that I'm right, and I don't have any reason to think you know what you're talking about except your say-so, no disrespect.

Heh. I have reason to believe you even started here cause you're on TC's dick and now you're kinda backpedalling. That was true with your so called strong agreeing with TC when he provided absolutely nothing but the same question, and TC repeated what I said about big business. Now you're going against what TC repeated what I said. Do you understand that I have no choice but to think little of you over that ? According to Occam's razor, you're getting destroyed here.

Finally. Your Author Steven Wishnia who wrote that article you have faith in ( it's faith dude ) wrote this 5 years later, and he's with me on this thread. https://www.alternet.org/2013/02/hemp-harmless-potential-economic-miracle-and-still-illegal-america-tide-seems-be-turning/ in 2013 he still thought the evidence against Dupont was "unsustainable" indicating 1 man's opinion.

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According to Occam's razor, you're getting destroyed here.

Spatial, can you explain what Occam's Razor even is? 

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According to Occam's razor, you're getting destroyed here.

Spatial, can you explain what Occam's Razor even is? 

 Yes I can.

Do you know why Legga is getting destroyed by Occam's razor terms ? Of course not.

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