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 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/roe-protest-disrupts-last-hours-of-2022-arizona-legislature/2022/06/25/7dce1366-f47f-11ec-ac16-8fbf7194cd78_story.html

PHOENIX — Police fired tear gas to disperse abortion rights supporters demonstrating outside the Arizona Capitol Friday night, forcing lawmakers to huddle briefly in a basement inside the building as they rushed to complete their 2022 session.
 
Thousands of protesters had gathered earlier on the Capitol grounds in Phoenix, divided into groups both supporting and condemning the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade.
SWAT team members with the Department of Public Safety fired tear gas from second floor of the old Capitol building to disperse protesters in the mall between the current House and Senate buildings. KPHO-TV reported the officers opened fire when several protesters started banging on glass doors of the Senate building.
 
Authorities said there were no injuries or arrests.

The lawmakers need one of these, Left or Right, does not matter. they have the right to defend themselves WITH GUNS!

BTW "As of May 14, 2019, abortion was legally not allowed after the fetus was viable, generally some point between week 24 and 28.

Arizona governor signs 15-week abortion ban into law

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Abortion is legal in Arizona. fetus viability is being used as the cutoff.

Children are not viable till 8 or 9? So using this logic, a woman should be able to abort her children up until 9 yo.

"Arizona is one of many states that does not allow Medicaid recipients to use Medicaid to pay for their abortion.
State law prevents lawsuits against medical providers who omit or withhold information from patients that may lead to the abortion of an abnormal fetus. Examples include a medical provider limiting the scope of test results or avoiding tests that may result in a woman’s choice to terminate her pregnancy.
State laws add multiple hoops for women to jump through before obtaining an abortion, such as requiring patients seeking an abortion to receive an ultrasound. Additionally, patients in Arizona must endure a 24 hour waiting period before receiving an abortion. This means that a patient must go to two appointments no closer than 24 hours apart.
All abortion care, including the delivery of the pills used in a medicated abortion, must be administered by a medical doctor. Likewise, all required abortion counseling must come from a medical doctor. These rules put excessive requirements on abortion providers.
Medicated abortion cannot be prescribed through telemedicine, requiring patients in the vast rural areas of Arizona to travel to Phoenix or Tucson, where they must attend two appointments no closer than 24 hours apart.
Medicated abortion is considered a “surgical” procedure, placing unnecessary requirements on both patients and providers.
State law prohibits any insurance plan offered through the state health care exchange from offering abortion coverage except in cases where the woman’s life is in danger from continuing her pregnancy. Arizona is one of 21 states that have legislation in place to restrict abortion coverage in their insurance exchanges.
State law allows the state to conduct surprise inspections of abortion clinics during regular business hours completely unannounced. An application for licensure is needed to complete an inspection, but the inspection can be completed while the application is still in the ‘pending’ process."

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

LiYang said: 

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How about this question instead: When is life relevant enough to consider it murder? 

 okay, that's a different question

What's your answer to it? 

 murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

so murder depends on the laws. in a Red State like Missouri. All abortions are murder.

In Blue California, not murder.

But what's your opinion? 

 My opinion is that all abortion is killing and that murder will follow the state laws.

 Are you saying the government has the right to decide appropriate medical treatments and then dictate those treatments on an individual's personal body if they deem it will save another's life? And, if an individual rejects the state's medical decision about their body they should go to jail? 

If so, then you must agree that the state should be able to administer forced vaccinations on people to save lives.    

im saying abortion is killing

That's a personal opinion and I agree it would be a good reason for you not to have an abortion. But why do you think people who don't see abortion as murder should be forced to accept your and their government's view on this? Do they not have the personal freedom to make their own choice?

forced or coerced medical procedures are criminal. No State has the right to force medical procedures. and R v W was repealed due to being Government over reach. 

How is denying someone access to a medical procedure different from forcing/coercing them to have a medical procedure they don't want?

How was R v W overreach when it left the decision up to an individual?  Do state laws override individual freedoms?

 

abortion is not a force medical procedure, now, if I elected to get a vaccine that knowingly killed someone else. wow

But what if the state thinks differently and says that not getting a vaccine could cause mutations/variants in a virus that puts others lives at risk and therefore all people must be vaccinated. Is it ok for them to make that choice for you? 

 killing and murder are two different things, you missed the discussion above.

and why are you ignoring the baby human's life?

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https://republicbrief.com/first-murder-charge-linked-to-roe-reversal-protests-has-been-filed/

First Murder Charge Linked to Roe Reversal Protests Has Been Filed

“Individuals participating in such criminal activity are not exercising their 1st Amendment rights in protest of the Supreme Court decision, rather, they are acting as criminals,” LA police reported Saturday about the mayhem, saying, “the Department will vigorously pursue prosecution of these individuals.”

“A protestor allegedly attacked a police officer with a ‘makeshift flamethrower’ KTLA-TV reported that Michael Ortiz, 30, was taken into custody where he is expected to be charged with the attempted murder of a police officer,” The Western Journal reported Sunday.

 
Bail was set at $1 million, according to the report.

LiYang said: 

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

How about this question instead: When is life relevant enough to consider it murder? 

 okay, that's a different question

What's your answer to it? 

 murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

so murder depends on the laws. in a Red State like Missouri. All abortions are murder.

In Blue California, not murder.

But what's your opinion? 

 My opinion is that all abortion is killing and that murder will follow the state laws.

 Are you saying the government has the right to decide appropriate medical treatments and then dictate those treatments on an individual's personal body if they deem it will save another's life? And, if an individual rejects the state's medical decision about their body they should go to jail? 

If so, then you must agree that the state should be able to administer forced vaccinations on people to save lives.    

im saying abortion is killing

That's a personal opinion and I agree it would be a good reason for you not to have an abortion. But why do you think people who don't see abortion as murder should be forced to accept your and their government's view on this? Do they not have the personal freedom to make their own choice?

forced or coerced medical procedures are criminal. No State has the right to force medical procedures. and R v W was repealed due to being Government over reach. 

How is denying someone access to a medical procedure different from forcing/coercing them to have a medical procedure they don't want?

How was R v W overreach when it left the decision up to an individual?  Do state laws override individual freedoms?

 

abortion is not a force medical procedure, now, if I elected to get a vaccine that knowingly killed someone else. wow

But what if the state thinks differently and says that not getting a vaccine could cause mutations/variants in a virus that puts others lives at risk and therefore all people must be vaccinated. Is it ok for them to make that choice for you? 

 killing and murder are two different things, you missed the discussion above.

and why are you ignoring the baby human's life?

 I don't think it's a baby until it can survive outside the womb. It's just potential - it's somewhat sad to end potential but a woman should have the freedom to determine her own potential first  

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

MissCommunication said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

LiYang said: 

Turncoat said: 

How about this question instead: When is life relevant enough to consider it murder? 

 okay, that's a different question

What's your answer to it? 

 murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

so murder depends on the laws. in a Red State like Missouri. All abortions are murder.

In Blue California, not murder.

But what's your opinion? 

 My opinion is that all abortion is killing and that murder will follow the state laws.

 Are you saying the government has the right to decide appropriate medical treatments and then dictate those treatments on an individual's personal body if they deem it will save another's life? And, if an individual rejects the state's medical decision about their body they should go to jail? 

If so, then you must agree that the state should be able to administer forced vaccinations on people to save lives.    

im saying abortion is killing

That's a personal opinion and I agree it would be a good reason for you not to have an abortion. But why do you think people who don't see abortion as murder should be forced to accept your and their government's view on this? Do they not have the personal freedom to make their own choice?

forced or coerced medical procedures are criminal. No State has the right to force medical procedures. and R v W was repealed due to being Government over reach. 

How is denying someone access to a medical procedure different from forcing/coercing them to have a medical procedure they don't want?

How was R v W overreach when it left the decision up to an individual?  Do state laws override individual freedoms?

 

abortion is not a force medical procedure, now, if I elected to get a vaccine that knowingly killed someone else. wow

But what if the state thinks differently and says that not getting a vaccine could cause mutations/variants in a virus that puts others lives at risk and therefore all people must be vaccinated. Is it ok for them to make that choice for you? 

 killing and murder are two different things, you missed the discussion above.

and why are you ignoring the baby human's life?

 I don't think it's a baby until it can survive outside the womb. It's just potential - it's somewhat sad to end potential but a woman should have the freedom to determine her own potential first  

 Survival outside the womb would be 8 or 9 yo? Viability has already been debunked as an argument. When do you think life starts?

This meme is exactly the point. Your tyrannical views belong elsewhere. Don't force your values on me.

Roe is a much bigger issue than abortion. This is about returning power to the People that was previously taken away unconstitutionally.

Justice Alito's position on Roe is not a position against women. It's a position of empowering both men and women to their faction's choice. The People will decide at their local State level.

If there are women in Red States that disagree, they should move. You are free to do so and have as many abortions as you like in Blue States. Many are moving to Florida and Texas to escape Blue State tyranny.

"Don't come here and tell us what to do." That is Government overreach. The Constitution allows for many different factions of people to exist so that one faction cannot rule over the other. The Constitution was written by men that came from tyranny. Smart guys. I bet they had some smart women helping them.

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“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.

“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document. “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”

“We, therefore, hold the Constitution does not confer a right to abortion. Roe and Casey must be overruled, and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the people and their elected representatives,” Alito writes in the document, labeled the “Opinion of the Court.”

Soon after Alito’s draft majority opinion leaked, it’s assumed there were at least 5 votes in favor of overturning Roe v Wade, leaving state legislators to weigh their own abortion policies.

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