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have had similar issues where i knew i was being tested for alexithymia based on the questions. which i knew was because i reported not feeling a lot of emotions (probably blunting from depression). but that was part of an overall problem were i knew where they where trying to point the lens and why. a problem because it's frustrating to feel like you're wasting time when they're playing whack-a-mole. not that it necessarily is a waste of time

the biggest thing i got out of the experience was hearing someone from the outside saying that my situation was very stressful and that i needed to remove myself from it, where before all the voices around me were confused and giving me confused perceptions where i put a ton of blame and obligation on myself. diagnostics didn't count for much...it wasn't that i needed to know what the problem was, more that i needed to know what to do next

last edit on 5/30/2022 9:22:07 PM
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So ...self-therapy, when one faces this obstacle?

You can't really suggest for yourself anything you haven't already thought of, it severely limits your options. 

There must be cases where it is the "autonomy" should be the factor.  Those with compulsion or even ADHD (executive control dysfunction) could probably use the structured method.  What you describe also sounds compulsive; though you recognize the self-defeating nature, you're drawn into the person like a magnet through their behavior.  You know what the whole set up is about, why it's structure that way.  You are being self-aware about this, sure, but perhaps they didn't recognize the nature of this in this way, which would have them offer an appropriate strategy?

Even if they were to be patient with that or even play along by unprofessionally yielding things about their personal lives, I still haven't really seen them suggest something that's otherwise helpful and likely tried and pondered over already. 

If it works for the therapist to be in therapy, my first question would be over if they found therapy to be helpful before they became a therapist. A lot of why the methods work are seriously like a combination of the Doctor professionalism angle and the mentalism of a modern magician, which is why they'll even opt for placebo solutions or mind tricks at points as long as it doesn't breach their contract with the field. 

So far they've had nothing to offer, and I'm not really sure what they could provide other than someone to talk to who will not have a real conversation. 

The thing is, though, plenty of therapists have their own therapists, don't they?

How often do you think that ends up helping them?

What I think isn't necessarily pertinent, but probably as much as anyone else, perhaps with a little added suspension of disbelief (which may certainly feed into more neurosis).

I often figure that if they went into the field of psych that they were looking for some way to either help themselves or have a history with a troubled family member. 

It often goes back to the urge to help others over how they cannot help themselves, like an alcoholic one I knew for a while who, in spite of that, stayed sober for his work in trying to help other alcoholics quit. 

He'd try to couch their desperation as things they were doing, like telling us how some would drink Scope for it's alcohol content when desperate enough, but... he understood the problem intimately. 

There has to be some meta-level available to even therapists, for they are human too, and you're well aware many get into the field from the simple fact they have the interest because of their own problems.

They tend to fall into the deep end of the Dunning Kruger problem; The more they know, the harder it becomes to be confident over it. 

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Therapy through my prior experience just tended to have me just parroting back at them the textbook strategy they're trying to do, and after enough talking they end up at a loss for what to suggest if they aren't otherwise just trying to throw pills at me. The things they'd suggest are railroaded a bit when you know where it's going a few words into it, and after so much of that they've ended up at a loss for what else to suggest. 

A big part of why it works on people is over a blindness to the process. Once you know what they're doing, whether as someone with a degree in it or as someone who's dealt with them all their lives through the Big Pharma racket, it becomes increasingly difficult to take the process seriously. 

The discussions I have with them are great for talking the subject matter, knowing the same terminology can save a lot of time, but their insistence over how it cannot become about them kinda has me fixate on what they feel the need to hide. Once I start asking if what they're asking me is over their own things they've gotten combative which also gets in the way, but come on if they are wearing their motivations out in the open how am I not supposed to comment on it? 

They literally say I can say anything there, then follow it up with a series of 'except that'. 

You're just too smart for therapy

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Turncoat said:

Therapy through my prior experience just tended to have me just parroting back at them the textbook strategy they're trying to do, and after enough talking they end up at a loss for what to suggest if they aren't otherwise just trying to throw pills at me. The things they'd suggest are railroaded a bit when you know where it's going a few words into it, and after so much of that they've ended up at a loss for what else to suggest. 

A big part of why it works on people is over a blindness to the process. Once you know what they're doing, whether as someone with a degree in it or as someone who's dealt with them all their lives through the Big Pharma racket, it becomes increasingly difficult to take the process seriously. 

The discussions I have with them are great for talking the subject matter, knowing the same terminology can save a lot of time, but their insistence over how it cannot become about them kinda has me fixate on what they feel the need to hide. Once I start asking if what they're asking me is over their own things they've gotten combative which also gets in the way, but come on if they are wearing their motivations out in the open how am I not supposed to comment on it? 

They literally say I can say anything there, then follow it up with a series of 'except that'. 

You're just too smart for therapy

 Ha ha ha 🤣 freaking hilarious 😂 

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Turncoat said:

Therapy through my prior experience just tended to have me just parroting back at them the textbook strategy they're trying to do, and after enough talking they end up at a loss for what to suggest if they aren't otherwise just trying to throw pills at me. The things they'd suggest are railroaded a bit when you know where it's going a few words into it, and after so much of that they've ended up at a loss for what else to suggest. 

A big part of why it works on people is over a blindness to the process. Once you know what they're doing, whether as someone with a degree in it or as someone who's dealt with them all their lives through the Big Pharma racket, it becomes increasingly difficult to take the process seriously. 

The discussions I have with them are great for talking the subject matter, knowing the same terminology can save a lot of time, but their insistence over how it cannot become about them kinda has me fixate on what they feel the need to hide. Once I start asking if what they're asking me is over their own things they've gotten combative which also gets in the way, but come on if they are wearing their motivations out in the open how am I not supposed to comment on it? 

They literally say I can say anything there, then follow it up with a series of 'except that'. 

You're just too smart for therapy

Moar liek they're too stupid for it tbh. 

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I been seeing one psychiatrist or another for most of the last 10 years. Now what.

last edit on 5/31/2022 2:25:45 AM
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can you put me on this list? I rly need some help

im bored
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