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0 votes RE: Spatial, what is your true opinion on grace based salvation?
Canary said: 

Demon's are fallen angels.

Depending on what interpretation you go with anyway, pretty much yeah, that's how it began. 

Angels are naive, knowing only enough to function while otherwise operating as beings of purity and light. They are not Worldly, of this Earth, so they reflect none of it's needs. They are like children, confused by the things humans learn as the grow older. 

...until they visit for too long, this place has the means of corrupting even God's agents thanks to Satan's twist on wisdom. Even in religions outside of Christianity, many refer to life as some form of suffering if not a trial or test, and in said suffering it is natural to seek a release from it... even for Angels it'd seem. 

The nature of this world is a chaotic hunger, and all who come here begin to align with it. Interesting how God would allow for something like that, it goes beyond the claims of 'Free Will'. For what purpose He has for orchestrating Lucifer's fall by telling him he was "The Best", an Earthly value, is beyond me. 

My spirituality entails putting what's suggested of us into practice. Not just blind faith. That triggers you to a point where you demand that faith is all you need, as if we should only have faith and nothing more. That in my opinion is madness.

That you'd even say that shows how much Earthly Values have tainted your perceptions. From there further decay upon your faith is possible. 

The bible uses armor symbolism for a reason, and many passages on how wisdom is meaningless and the use of martyr symbolism to push slave morality. You aren't meant to be a master of your domain, you're meant to be God's pet, and He's pretty strict about disobedience.

It is a path of surrender to reality's boss, in spite of His questionable qualifications at this point of the narrative, but at the end of the day all He really wants is your faith... in the form of strict obedience to His laws.

To do otherwise gets us thrown into his trashfire, but many fallen angels do agree: It is madness. 

Not just believing, but becoming.

It's not worth it dude, even you're already making allowances for Satanic principles based around Worldly desires. 

You won't find a Christian who does it all correctly, hence why only 144,000 make it to Heaven at all. It's highly unnatural to not reflect this world unless you're deeply dissociative, which is why this religion (and many others) beg you to ignore the world in favor of faith. 

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last edit on 4/27/2022 12:03:21 AM
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0 votes RE: Spatial, what is your true opinion on grace based salvation?

The World of Darkness tabletop RPG had a lot of fun with this idea: 

The backstory of Demon: The Fallen describes the original universe as a perfect machine, with every natural law, concept, being, and atom humming together in harmony and beauty without parallel.

The one flaw was that mankind seemed... unable to gain sapience on their own. Long story short, God got angry that Lucifer forced the issue by giving mankind sapience, and so God "brushed" the world with his presence, which was the equivalent of hitting a car with a wrecking ball.

Sure, the universe survived, but in a broken, imperfect and continually decaying state that can't ever self-repair to its former state.

Demon: The Descent: Angels serve the God-Machine, being essentially divine subroutines and programs running on its cosmic supercomputer.

They have no free will outside their orders (going against them, even in letter, causes them to fall and become demons), act as forces pushing things towards some arrayed purpose they can't possibly know, take any number of forms corporeal and non-corporeal, and are sometimes set at cross purposes (one Actual Play has one angel assigned to protect a barista, another assigned to kill said barista, and both falling because of it).

Angels can also take any number of forms; while most angels do discreet work for the God-Machine and look human, some look outright monstrous, some might take the form of animals, and one sample angel is a living pattern of graffiti that slithers across city buildings.

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last edit on 4/26/2022 10:39:47 PM
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0 votes RE: Spatial, what is your true opinion on grace based salvation?

And to be honest,  much of what you attack and judge in others Spatial Mind, you actually struggle with yourself

Very true in his case, but people can only really see the world through their own eyes, and only comprehend it through their own experiences. 

This is often why the deepest, most barbed jabs on this forum often come from those who've been there to some degree. It's projection, and it's difficult to avoid, so naturally he's attacking people who fail at faith in spite of his own failings and his unwillingness to participate with any church (lol, because they're all doing it wrong, how convenient, how does he know he's not the wrong one?). 

'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone'
Poor dude seems to have forgotten the above. 

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last edit on 4/26/2022 11:35:44 PM
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1 votes RE: Spatial, what is your true opinion on grace based salvation?
JesusistheKing said:
I believe that it is entirely up to Him to perform this in every believer's life and that all that the believer has to is continue believing in the gospel message which is that all of his or her sins are forgiven and that he or she has been given Jesus's imputed righteousness in exchange for their own condemnation

This kind of shit makes my stomach turn, but it is accurate for what the religion pushes. You however are ignoring the notion of "Intent", if you sin with the belief you'll be forgiven for it then you aren't forgiven for it (the ChallengeSeeker problem). It's like making an empty apology to God in advance, but He's expressly shown to be a heart reader, not a word follower, He'll know if you don't mean it, The Guy sees into the future. 

You however I'd fear are using this as the means to not explore doing things yourself, but you are throwing yourself at weird shit like Deliverances which is more than someone like Spatial would do. I however fear that you still think others are the ones who will fix you over your own belief that you yourself are powerless, hence the God Complex coping and codependency hangups. 

You want to feel safe, you want a protector, but you think everyone who could protect you wants some form of abuse as compensation as a way to see your suffering as disconnected from yourself. Even your 'Goddess' disconnect is over how a you who isn't you is doing this to you so that you can feel in control. 

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last edit on 4/26/2022 11:47:09 PM
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