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Spatial, what is your true opinion on grace based salvation?


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for example, here is another article about it  (and I am talking specifically salvation being conditioned upon grace through faith plus nothing else)

 

https://faithequip.org/the-condition-of-salvation/

 

The Philippian jailor asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30). In this article we answer this very important question positively as to what the condition for salvation is. It will also be answered negatively, dealing with various false additions to salvation.

How Does One Get Saved?

Salvation is by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is the only condition for salvation. In more than two hundred cases where there is a condition given for salvation in the New Testament, faith or belief is stated to be the one and only condition. So-called ‘problems passages’ must be interpreted in the light of the more than 200 passages that are clear.

The three main words that the New Testament uses in connection with faith is pistis (used 243 times, meaning ‘faith’, ‘assurance’, ‘belief’), pisteuo (used 246 times, meaning mainly ‘to believe’, but sometimes refers to believers or the concepts of ‘committed’, ‘entrusted’) and the word peitho (used 55 times, with the root-meaning ‘to cause belief in’). Faith means to believe, to be persuaded of, to place confidence in and to trust in the sense of relying upon.

Believe On The Lord Jesus And You Will Be Saved

In the case of the question of the Philippian jailor, the Holy Spirit inspired this answer in Acts 16:31: “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved”. Another clear passage is John 1:12 which states: “But as many as received him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on His name”. The ones who become children of God are the ones who receive Christ. What does it mean to receive Christ? The second part of the verse in John 1:12 provides the answer: by believing that Jesus is really the Jewish Messiah. Do you just have to acknowledge Christ’s existence? No, more is needed than just acknowledging existence. The believer’s faith must be placed in Christ as his (or her) substitute and as his (or her) Saviour from the penalty of sin. This implies you know you are a sinner in need of a Saviour. One must personally trust Christ for one’s salvation. The object of our faith is God. The content of our faith is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for one’s sins (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

What False Additions Are Sometimes Added To Salvation?

Some groups claim that not only does one have to believe on the Messiah and trust Him for one’s salvation, but one must also repent — and usually by repentance is meant “feeling sorry for your sins”. The Biblical meaning of repentance is actually “to change one’s mind”. When repentance is used as a synonym for faith, yes then it is indeed a condition for salvation. For example, one has to change one’s mind (repent) about who Christ is in order to be saved (cf. Luke 24:47; Acts 17:30). Again, if repentance is meant as a synonym for belief and faith, yes then repentance (meaning: changing one’s mind) is necessary for salvation. But repentance becomes a false addition to salvation when it is taken to mean one has to feel a certain amount of sorrow (how much? how often?) for one’s sins in order to be saved. If one must feel sorry for one’s sins, then salvation is based on the human work of feeling sorry and not upon the facts and promises of Scripture.

Based on passages such as Matthew 10:32 and Romans 10:9-10, some teach that there must be a public, verbal confession of Christ for a person to be saved. But in both these two passages, confession is not a separate act from faith but simply part of the act of faith. In Romans 10:9-10, Paul is making use of inversion (a saying arranged in chiastic form) and uses confession here as a synonym for belief: in this verse confession equals calling upon the name of the Lord and exercising faith in Him. Again, confession is not a separate act of faith. If it were true that one must publically confess Christ for one’s salvation, then salvation would be based on our verbally confessed works. But our salvation is not based on works, it is by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ, plus nothing.

In the case of 1 John 1:9 (…if we confess our sins…), this passage calls for people who are already believers but who have sinned, to confess their sins. It is not a verse about salvation. Further, if one must confess all one’s sins before one can be saved, can you remember all the sins you have committed?

Another false addition to salvation is that one has to implore God to save him (or her). The picture is that God is somewhat reluctant to give salvation and therefore one must implore Him before one may receive it. But the salvation which God offers is simply received by faith; one does not have to implore God to save him (or her). God is more than ready to do so. Lastly, if one must implore God for salvation, then salvation is by works.

Must One Be Baptised In Order To Be Saved?

Mark 16:15-16 says one must believe and be baptised. But the negative is not stated; it does not say if one is not baptised one will not be saved. Having been saved one should arise and be baptised (cf. Acts 22:16), but baptism is not a condition for salvation, only faith in Christ is. If baptism were a condition of salvation, then salvation is based on the human work of baptism (which it is not).

Lordship Salvation

Is salvation by God’s grace through faith alone or is salvation by God’s grace through faith plus the commitment of one’s life to the Lordship of Christ? Lordship salvation teaches that before one can be saved, one must surrender to the Lordship of Christ. Based on passages such as Romans 10:9 and sometimes also Romans 12:1-2, this view says that one must not only accept Jesus Christ as one’s Saviour, but also accept Him as Lord of one’s life; then only can one actually be saved. The issue concerns not only the condition of salvation — thus the doctrine of salvation — but also touches on faith, discipleship, spiritual growth, etc.

The expression “Lord” in the title “Lord Jesus” (cf. Romans 1:1-4; 10:9-10) emphasises Him as the God-man, both in His deity (Lord) — for only God can spiritually save — and in his humanity (Jesus), for the Redeemer must also be a human kinsman-redeemer, willing and able to offer himself as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Accepting the Lord Jesus is therefore accepting Him as the God-man, because He must be both God and man to qualify as Saviour.

Would you say the apostle Peter was saved by the time one reaches Acts 10? When Peter was called to go to the house of a Gentile and to eat what he thought was un-kosher food, what did he say to the Lord? Peter said “Not so, Lord” (Acts 10:14; NKJV). At that precise moment in time, Peter was not yielded to the Lordship of Christ in all areas of his life otherwise he would not say those words. Was the apostle Peter saved? Of course he was. But if someone says Peter wasn’t saved because he was not fully committed to the Lordship of the Messiah, what was Peter then supposed to do? Presumably Peter was to be saved, and by Lordship salvation is meant this time he really, truly had to commit to the Lordship of Christ. To us it is clear that Lordship salvation ends up being a works-based gospel that takes you back not to Wittenberg and the Reformation, but to Rome.

The gospel of Christ teaches that salvation is by God’s grace through faith (plus nothing).

 

 

last edit on 4/25/2022 3:02:04 PM
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essentially the concept of "Christians do not live for God to get saved, but they live for God because they are saved. Eternal life is a free gift, and salvation is receiving, not giving"

 

 

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Demon's are fallen angels. If one were to be honest in this case, even they would tell you without a doubt Christ is real.

For them it goes beyond "faith" ( to go forward blindly ) yet supposedly there'll be serving an eternal sentence in hell, the very place a Christian seeks to be saved from.

That being said, do I think simply believing is enough ? That'll we'll be saved with a simple thought without practicing what been suggested to us from the highest ? You know my answer to that we've been through it already. 

My spirituality entails putting what's suggested of us into practice. Not just blind faith. That triggers you to a point where you demand that faith is all you need, as if we should only have faith and nothing more. That in my opinion is madness. 

And for clearity I'm talking about following the Lord's commandments. Doing things his way, sinning less or striving for perfection. But again, this seems to bother you, which brings up this whole "you only need faith" debate. Which in my opinion is trashy.

It's been written long ago that the devil is upon us. The Torah could easily have been modified by the fallen. Just enough truth and lies to have some masses swing closer to their demise.

We're created in God's likeness. Those who think for themselves and respond well to situations, is admirable to ALL of us, while the sheepish mind doesn't quite impress us. For the creator, it's more preferable when we naturally perform well. 

You may argue that I'm not to think things and just follow the Churches interpretation of the Bible, and follow no man, but you did submit an article. I really can't tell you who to follow either.

In a nutshell, I don't think faith alone is enough. When we bare fruit the Lord is delighted with, in his name, that's when the faithful is in the green.

Not just believing, but becoming.

"Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is road to destruction and many enter through it, but small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it"

 

 

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Demon's are fallen angels. If one were to be honest in this case, even they would tell you without a doubt Christ is real.

For them it goes beyond "faith" ( to go forward blindly ) yet supposedly there'll be serving an eternal sentence in hell, the very place a Christian seeks to be saved from.

That being said, do I think simply believing is enough ? That'll we'll be saved with a simple thought without practicing what been suggested to us from the highest ? You know my answer to that we've been through it already. 

My spirituality entails putting what's suggested of us into practice. Not just blind faith. That triggers you to a point where you demand that faith is all you need, as if we should only have faith and nothing more. That in my opinion is madness. 

And for clearity I'm talking about following the Lord's commandments. Doing things his way, sinning less or striving for perfection. But again, this seems to bother you, which brings up this whole "you only need faith" debate. Which in my opinion is trashy.

It's been written long ago that the devil is upon us. The Torah could easily have been modified by the fallen. Just enough truth and lies to have some masses swing closer to their demise.

We're created in God's likeness. Those who think for themselves and respond well to situations, is admirable to ALL of us, while the sheepish mind doesn't quite impress us. For the creator, it's more preferable when we naturally perform well. 

You may argue that I'm not to think things and just follow the Churches interpretation of the Bible, and follow no man, but you did submit an article. I really can't tell you who to follow either.

In a nutshell, I don't think faith alone is enough. When we bare fruit the Lord is delighted with, in his name, that's when the faithful is in the green.

Not just believing, but becoming.

"Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is road to destruction and many enter through it, but small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it"

 

 

 

Spatial, while I understand your perspective you are still missing the point

 

I never said not to strive for perfection, all of us Christians should be doing it  (but we are not to judge or condemn other Christians' attempts at this, or act like we are God ourselves and know what is best for other people)  but I said that I believe that works cannot get you into heaven

 

Faith without works is dead,  but only Jesus can give you the faith and transform your heart and your mind through renewal and sanctification, I believe that it is entirely up to Him to perform this in every believer's life and that all that the believer has to is continue believing in the gospel message which is that all of his or her sins are forgiven and that he or she has been given Jesus's imputed righteousness in exchange for their own condemnation

 

and this process will take however long it will take in each individual believer's life,  and this is why I strongly believe that it is not up to any of us mere mortals to try to be judge or "fix" other Christians (unless they are specifically and directly asking us for advice on a specific topic,  I am more speaking about unsolicited judgemental and condemnatory statements being made from one Christian to another are sinful because Jesus says that none of us are to judge or condemn each other,  especially other Christians,  but to leave everyone else's walk with Christ between them and God and to focus on our own sanctification process between ourselves and God instead, again unless specifically and directly asked for help or advice on a specific topic or in a specific situation)

 

And I know that I am correct on this, so what do you have to say to defend yourself because when you attempt to "play God" (when you are a mere mortal with limited understanding) and judge and condemn another Christian based on their works or even lack thereof, you are directly sinning against God because he commands multiple times in the New Testament to not judge or condemn other people but to focus on your own relationship and shortcomings and imperfections between yourself and God instead)

 

It is my belief that the narrow gate is Jesus's grace and believing the gospel message of imputed righteousness and our new Idenitity in Jesus,  not works

 

works can be examined as you grow in faith and the milk of the Word to see your progress, but they cannot save you in themselves

 

 

last edit on 4/26/2022 3:05:39 PM
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And to be honest,  much of what you attack and judge in others Spatial Mind, you actually struggle with yourself

 

which is,  unfortunate  but also why Jesus specifically says to not judge or condemn other people LOL  🤭

 

 

last edit on 4/26/2022 3:08:23 PM
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And to be honest,  much of what you attack and judge in others Spatial Mind, you actually struggle with yourself

 

which is,  unfortunate  but also why Jesus specifically says to not judge or condemn other people LOL  🤭

 

 

 You ought to be specific when you say I attack and judge others in what I'm guilty of. 

Also what I previously wrote here remains my initial claim regardless of the true nature of this thread. 

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My perspective of you is as follows.

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Sacreligious. No denying that.

Your claim is that I condemn your actual practices around here, all the while you yourself write about trying to cast out the same demons that has you apologetic or gleefully sacrilegious.

When your time is up and you're up for review in the face of truth, you won't be able to say my commentary about your nature at this point in time is in the wrong. You yourself at times would agree with it. 

What does Christianity think about this ?

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"The wise of heart will receive correction"

- Proverbs 10:8

 

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid."

- Proverbs 12:1

 

 

 

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And to be honest,  much of what you attack and judge in others Spatial Mind, you actually struggle with yourself

 

which is,  unfortunate  but also why Jesus specifically says to not judge or condemn other people LOL  🤭

 

 

 You ought to be specific when you say I attack and judge others in what I'm guilty of. 

Also what I previously wrote here remains my initial claim regardless of the true nature of this thread. 

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My perspective of you is as follows.

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Sacreligious. No denying that.

Your claim is that I condemn your actual practices around here, all the while you yourself write about trying to cast out the same demons that has you apologetic or gleefully sacrilegious.

When your time is up and you're up for review in the face of truth, you won't be able to say my commentary about your nature at this point in time is in the wrong. You yourself at times would agree with it. 

What does Christianity think about this ?

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"The wise of heart will receive correction"

- Proverbs 10:8

 

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid."

- Proverbs 12:1

 

 

 

 

but I see you exhibiting behaviors of hypocrisy, as well as not understanding the scriptures and misusing them and even saying things such as God allowed the scriptures to be tampered with (a blatant lie, he has kept and always will keep them as he wanted them)

 

Also you have said that you are not a Christian and that you have no desire to be a part of the church

 

These are huge red flags, and out of discernment I am not going to believe anything that you have to say regarding the scriptures or God's Will

 

and your misguided self-righteous (hilarious because you are so far from what a Holy man of God should be acting like) judgements and attempts to scare me just make you look even more of a fool

 

I refuse to take correction seriously from someone who exhibits hypocritical behaviors and who makes blasphemous claims about the scriptures and the Church, and from someone who does not understand Jesus's calling for the saints to depend on Him and Him alone for salvation or God's Will

 

and you are just going to have to deal with that  :) there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it and you have no control over me or anyone else, and especially not over God

 

 

last edit on 4/26/2022 5:22:28 PM
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Matthew 7:5

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

^  This New Testament scripture verse seriously and inescapably applies to you,  stop avoiding it

 

for the love of Jesus  🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊✝️

 

 

last edit on 4/26/2022 5:25:59 PM
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I am not trying to hurt your feelings Spatial, genuinely, and I have compassion for you but I am needing you to see how hypocritical your judgements genuinely are

 

James 3:1

3 My brethren, be not many masters (teachers), knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

 

 

and this is why I rely on correction and guidance from Jesus alone, through prayer and studying of the scriptures

 

1 John 2:27

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

^  he is talking about the anointing of the holy spirit, of which I have been given by Jesus

 

 

last edit on 4/26/2022 5:42:24 PM
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I am not claiming to be perfect or to have a perfect understanding of the scriptures,  but I am not going to be taking correction from a man struggling with hypocritical behaviors and attempts at handing out unsolicited self-righteous (and very unearned pride in "self-righteousness" that does not match up to Holy standards judgements to other people seriously

 

^  to me I just see it for what it is,  a person with his own issues trying to project his issues onto other people instead of pursuing a personal relationship with God and sanctification of his own imperfections and sinful behaviors  🤷‍♀️  and I cannot just unsee this,  Spatial lol

 

 

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