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AppleGenius said: 

Outro said: 

Jesus this is fucking retarded lol

How about you guys define what you think "biolab" means. Why do you think this is some kind of smoking gun? And how involved do you think the US is in this?

I don't even know what position you're arguing. Elaborate what you think is going on. 

.. And before you say watch some random YouTube video by "Dilyana Gaytandzhieva" that features scary shamanic drums and shaky-cam footage of a Honda Odyssey parked outside an embassy, just know that I don't consider this compelling evidence lmao

I think the Russian claim is that US is developing or harnessing biological weapons. So, for example, mosquitoes that could be used as weapons.

The evidence, as far as I know, is:

1) Blueprints of a drone that carries mosquitoes
2) Human blood being transferred to some pentagon lab
3) Someone qualified to study insects working at the pentagon lab
4) Cherry-picked interviews by politicians who make weird statements under pressure
5) Websites being taken down by US government
6) Biolabs not disclosing what they are doing
7) Requests by China to disclose Biolab activity

I.e., nothing conclusive, as far as I can tell, but nonetheless interesting enough to read and pay attention to.

I believe this is a case of "something secretive going on, so therefore <insert explanation>", when the actual answer is "I don't know." I'd imagine it'd be easy to find 1-7 even without anything weird going on. It all depends on the alternative explanations and their plausibility. Unfortunately, they are not assessed objectively in any of the investigations linked thus far, hence why I'm not convinced. Indeed, the linked sources all give a very one-sided narrative and lack objectivity.

However, why are you so adamant that the opposite is true? You seem to believe that the US is definitely not having biolabs in these countries. Why are you so convinced?

 Thank you, that's informative. 

The only thing I'm adamant about is that the US isn't operating biological weapon research facilities in Ukraine. We do help fund some eyebrow-raising projects all around the world, but we wouldn't base our own infrastructure and personnel in a country that didn't have a formalized security alliance, for obvious reasons. Regimes change, people get kicked out, assets get seized etc etc

If there are biological weapon research labs in Ukraine (which wouldn't be inherently suprising - many countries have them), they'll be owned and operated by Ukraine. Not the US. 

I'm bemused by why this is considered a big deal too. Most developed countries have high security research labs, and many look at potential biological weapons. Russia themselves have labs with weaponized smallpox, and those are just their "on the record" labs lol 

Outro said: 

AppleGenius said: 

Outro said: 

Jesus this is fucking retarded lol

How about you guys define what you think "biolab" means. Why do you think this is some kind of smoking gun? And how involved do you think the US is in this?

I don't even know what position you're arguing. Elaborate what you think is going on. 

.. And before you say watch some random YouTube video by "Dilyana Gaytandzhieva" that features scary shamanic drums and shaky-cam footage of a Honda Odyssey parked outside an embassy, just know that I don't consider this compelling evidence lmao

I think the Russian claim is that US is developing or harnessing biological weapons. So, for example, mosquitoes that could be used as weapons.

The evidence, as far as I know, is:

1) Blueprints of a drone that carries mosquitoes
2) Human blood being transferred to some pentagon lab
3) Someone qualified to study insects working at the pentagon lab
4) Cherry-picked interviews by politicians who make weird statements under pressure
5) Websites being taken down by US government
6) Biolabs not disclosing what they are doing
7) Requests by China to disclose Biolab activity

I.e., nothing conclusive, as far as I can tell, but nonetheless interesting enough to read and pay attention to.

I believe this is a case of "something secretive going on, so therefore <insert explanation>", when the actual answer is "I don't know." I'd imagine it'd be easy to find 1-7 even without anything weird going on. It all depends on the alternative explanations and their plausibility. Unfortunately, they are not assessed objectively in any of the investigations linked thus far, hence why I'm not convinced. Indeed, the linked sources all give a very one-sided narrative and lack objectivity.

However, why are you so adamant that the opposite is true? You seem to believe that the US is definitely not having biolabs in these countries. Why are you so convinced?

 Thank you, that's informative. 

The only thing I'm adamant about is that the US isn't operating biological weapon research facilities in Ukraine. We do help fund some eyebrow-raising projects all around the world, but we wouldn't base our own infrastructure and personnel in a country that didn't have a formalized security alliance, for obvious reasons. Regimes change, people get kicked out, assets get seized etc etc

If there are biological weapon research labs in Ukraine (which wouldn't be inherently suprising - many countries have them), they'll be owned and operated by Ukraine. Not the US. 

I'm bemused by why this is considered a big deal too. Most developed countries have high security research labs, and many look at potential biological weapons. Russia themselves have labs with weaponized smallpox, and those are just their "on the record" labs lol 

ummm

https://web.archive.org/web/20210116020513/https:/www.state.gov/ensuring-a-transparent-thorough-investigation-of-covid-19s-origin/

"WIV Research on “RaTG13” and “gain of function”: Starting in at least 2016, WIV researchers studied RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). Since the outbreak, the WIV has not been transparent nor consistent about its work with RaTG13 or other similar viruses, including possible “gain of function” experiments to enhance transmissibility or lethality."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/08/josh-rogin-chaos-under-heaven-wuhan-lab-book-excerpt-474322

how does it all seem so far fetched to you unless you are coping to maintain a sense of safety?

@Outro

Considering that the biolab research was very interested in Russian tissue samples, it makes sense to have them in Ukraine to study the local fauna in addition to having access to Russians.

And they have them in Georgia too.

And it seems all of USAs officials are very worried about the research going into Russian hands. And they are constantly making up different stories that are contradictory and make no sense.

If you did look at my topic, you would see an answer to all your questions.

In addition, the current Ukr gov was made with a coup, supported by the USA and the USA has sent weapons to Ukr, people to train their army and government officials over 8 years, since the coup. The president of Ukr is prolonging this war, prolonging the suffering of his own civilians. He will never win and Russia will not stop. To me it looks like he is doing it to maximize the damage to Russia, at the expense of his own people, another reason to believe he is a USA puppet.

And Russia has been talking about this for 15 years, but USA only escalated it. In the last 8 years, Zelenskyy did not do anything to deescalate the problem either, most likely because of his USA allies giving him 'advice'. He has only escalated it too and keeps doing it right now while his citizens are told to arm and fight by him, causing more deaths and 'proof' of civilian casualties.

AlmightyJim said: 

Outro said: 

AppleGenius said: 

Outro said: 

Jesus this is fucking retarded lol

How about you guys define what you think "biolab" means. Why do you think this is some kind of smoking gun? And how involved do you think the US is in this?

I don't even know what position you're arguing. Elaborate what you think is going on. 

.. And before you say watch some random YouTube video by "Dilyana Gaytandzhieva" that features scary shamanic drums and shaky-cam footage of a Honda Odyssey parked outside an embassy, just know that I don't consider this compelling evidence lmao

I think the Russian claim is that US is developing or harnessing biological weapons. So, for example, mosquitoes that could be used as weapons.

The evidence, as far as I know, is:

1) Blueprints of a drone that carries mosquitoes
2) Human blood being transferred to some pentagon lab
3) Someone qualified to study insects working at the pentagon lab
4) Cherry-picked interviews by politicians who make weird statements under pressure
5) Websites being taken down by US government
6) Biolabs not disclosing what they are doing
7) Requests by China to disclose Biolab activity

I.e., nothing conclusive, as far as I can tell, but nonetheless interesting enough to read and pay attention to.

I believe this is a case of "something secretive going on, so therefore <insert explanation>", when the actual answer is "I don't know." I'd imagine it'd be easy to find 1-7 even without anything weird going on. It all depends on the alternative explanations and their plausibility. Unfortunately, they are not assessed objectively in any of the investigations linked thus far, hence why I'm not convinced. Indeed, the linked sources all give a very one-sided narrative and lack objectivity.

However, why are you so adamant that the opposite is true? You seem to believe that the US is definitely not having biolabs in these countries. Why are you so convinced?

 Thank you, that's informative. 

The only thing I'm adamant about is that the US isn't operating biological weapon research facilities in Ukraine. We do help fund some eyebrow-raising projects all around the world, but we wouldn't base our own infrastructure and personnel in a country that didn't have a formalized security alliance, for obvious reasons. Regimes change, people get kicked out, assets get seized etc etc

If there are biological weapon research labs in Ukraine (which wouldn't be inherently suprising - many countries have them), they'll be owned and operated by Ukraine. Not the US. 

I'm bemused by why this is considered a big deal too. Most developed countries have high security research labs, and many look at potential biological weapons. Russia themselves have labs with weaponized smallpox, and those are just their "on the record" labs lol 

ummm

https://web.archive.org/web/20210116020513/https:/www.state.gov/ensuring-a-transparent-thorough-investigation-of-covid-19s-origin/

"WIV Research on “RaTG13” and “gain of function”: Starting in at least 2016, WIV researchers studied RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). Since the outbreak, the WIV has not been transparent nor consistent about its work with RaTG13 or other similar viruses, including possible “gain of function” experiments to enhance transmissibility or lethality."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/08/josh-rogin-chaos-under-heaven-wuhan-lab-book-excerpt-474322

how does it all seem so far fetched to you unless you are coping to maintain a sense of safety?

 These are completely different labs to the one's we're talking about lol 

Both reasonable, reputable sources. I don't really have an argument for you? Quite a different situation. 

Good said: 

@Outro

Considering that the biolab research was very interested in Russian tissue samples, it makes sense to have them in Ukraine to study the local fauna in addition to having access to Russians.

And they have them in Georgia too.

And it seems all of USAs officials are very worried about the research going into Russian hands. And they are constantly making up different stories that are contradictory and make no sense.

If you did look at my topic, you would see an answer to all your questions.

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In addition, the current Ukr gov was made with a coup, supported by the USA and the USA has sent weapons to Ukr, people to train their army and government officials over 8 years, since the coup. The president of Ukr is prolonging this war, prolonging the suffering of his own civilians. He will never win and Russia will not stop. To me it looks like he is doing it to maximize the damage to Russia, at the expense of his own people, another reason to believe he is a USA puppet.

And Russia has been talking about this for 15 years, but USA only escalated it. In the last 8 years, Zelenskyy did not do anything to deescalate the problem either, most likely because of his USA allies giving him 'advice'. He has only escalated it too and keeps doing it right now while his citizens are told to arm and fight by him, causing more deaths and 'proof' of civilian casualties.

 We're hearing this in the fog of war through the lens of propaganda (from both Russia and the US). 

It's a bit disengenous to call the Ukraine change in government a "coup". He was democratically elected, and most reputable polls conducted in Ukraine prior to the invasion didn't find majority support for Russian control. And I think their increadible civillian insurgency doubles down on that fact. So it's not a coup.

As for the training of their military, we definitely did that. And we did that will the clear goal of enabling them to manage their borders, coz the US has wanted Ukraine to join NATO for a long time. 

I think you and others find this so convincing on the surface because there are kernels of truth literally throughout it, but the existence of these specific labs is dubious at best, they aren't US operated, and Zelenskyy has ties to the US (no doubt stronger than previous Ukrainian leaders), but we did not install him via coup.

Now, Honduras is a different story. Many, many other countries, different story. That is our go-to playbook. But this one simply isn't the case.

LOL Good going full on retard LiYang 

kyrooo said: 

LOL Good going full on retard LiYang 

one day all the birds will release mosquitos that carry an ethnic virus

Fuck this sh*t. There are US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, but they aren't building bioweapons. It's the opposite: they were there to secure old Soviet bioweapons left behind in the former Soviet republics. Russia will never address this.  

Russia's lies about labs like this are not limited to Ukraine. They said the same things about a lab in Tbilisi, Georgia, which were proven false. 

Russia has been pushing disinformation about the US and biological weapons since the Cold War -- pushing the idea that the US manufactured the HIV/AIDS virus. Russia pushes out propaganda on seemingly independent websites that present themselves as news outlets but are just Kremlin cut-outs.

Some people eat this shit up like skittles though.

MissCommunication said: 

Fuck this sh*t. There are US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, but they aren't building bioweapons. It's the opposite: they were there to secure old Soviet bioweapons left behind in the former Soviet republics. Russia will never address this.  

Russia's lies about labs like this are not limited to Ukraine. They said the same things about a lab in Tbilisi, Georgia, which were proven false. 

Russia has been pushing disinformation about the US and biological weapons since the Cold War -- pushing the idea that the US manufactured the HIV/AIDS virus. Russia pushes out propaganda on seemingly independent websites that present themselves as news outlets but are just Kremlin cut-outs.

Some people eat this shit up like skittles though.

 

How long does it take to secure the bioweapons? 20+ years?

Why are they afraid of the Russians getting their hands on weapons they already have?

Why did/do they lie about the biolabs?

Why were the Ukr labs not ready for a possible attack, so they can destroy/secure the research from Russia?

Why are there labs in non-soviet countries?

Why are they all with diplomatic access and the employees lie if they work there and won't say what they do?

How were those things proven false about Georgia?

All of these things are questioned and previewed in my topic on the subject.

Why wouldn't the USA create bioweapons tho? Are you saying they will allow Russia and China to have weapons, but the USA won't? Those could be the nukes of the future.

Good said: 

MissCommunication said: 

Fuck this sh*t. There are US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, but they aren't building bioweapons. It's the opposite: they were there to secure old Soviet bioweapons left behind in the former Soviet republics. Russia will never address this.  

Russia's lies about labs like this are not limited to Ukraine. They said the same things about a lab in Tbilisi, Georgia, which were proven false. 

Russia has been pushing disinformation about the US and biological weapons since the Cold War -- pushing the idea that the US manufactured the HIV/AIDS virus. Russia pushes out propaganda on seemingly independent websites that present themselves as news outlets but are just Kremlin cut-outs.

Some people eat this shit up like skittles though.

 

How long does it take to secure the bioweapons? 20+ years?

Why are they afraid of the Russians getting their hands on weapons they already have?

Why did/do they lie about the biolabs?

Why were the Ukr labs not ready for a possible attack, so they can destroy/secure the research from Russia?

Why are there labs in non-soviet countries?

Why are they all with diplomatic access and the employees lie if they work there and won't say what they do?

How were those things proven false about Georgia?

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All of these things are questioned and previewed in my topic on the subject.

 

Why wouldn't the USA create bioweapons tho? Are you saying they will allow Russia and China to have weapons, but the USA won't? Those could be the nukes of the future.

 All very good questions. What do we really know for sure? Propaganda is everywhere. Lies and manipulation are everywhere.