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"You Can Sin All You Want", oh my. 

This is the sort of thing where it's true, technically, but people noticing it begins to undo why it works. 

elaborate ?

It's a matter of priorities. 

If someone thinks they can sin and just ask for forgiveness through means like prayer or confession, then past a point their intent won't really be over trying to change, but rather absolving themselves of blame or guilt so they may do it again the next day. These lot just aim to avoid punishment rather than being a proper Christian, they don't really change beyond feeling the need to present a spiritual bribe every so often to continue. 

The Bible stresses that God sees someone's intent by being some sort of heart-seeker, so if your intent is simply like cleaning out the queue then you aren't really cleansing yourself, you're absolving yourself. The point is over shedding that weight to the point of transformation, not just lightening the load for your next expected fuckup. 

You have to mean it, you're basically dealing with a mind reader over how all of this is supposedly pre-written. 

 from my understanding,  there is supposed to be a tension between trying to stop sinning and knowing that Jesus can help you to stop sinning  and to even put your sinning into remission so that you do not want to do it anymore,  and knowing that under Jesus's grace all of your sins are forgiven  and that he will have mercy on all of your mistakes

 

my mistake is impatience,  I suppose  I became so frustrated at the lack of quick progress that I gave up alltogether out of anger and because I felt like he was making me feel stupid  when I really want trying my best  and Jesus knows that I have been trying my best to let him lead me and guide me and to learn how to do his will  which is why I am still alive clearly and still not given fully over to Satan clearly  because Jesus is having mercy on me because the intentions of my heart are sincere

 

also,  because Jesus's love is unconditional  and he erases our sins so completely that even he himself doesn't remember them as well as our own selves as Christians we will not remember them in the future,  me sinning even in really bad ways are probably not going to degrade his love for me like I have been fearing,  since I have asked for forgiveness and he promises to forgive and erase  but I might have missed out on some opportunities for rewards in eternal life even though I have been forgiven

 

mostly what I am concerned with is losing my chance at Jesus having spieitual sex with me  because I really want to know what it is like  lol,  but I might have to give up that focused desire and put the salvation of my soul and not being cast away in the end even after having spent my life trying to be a Christian  first

 

only Jesus can show me the way not to be cast away or condemned to eternal hell,  and I have been trusting him to do this and I am not going to stop now,  because I asked him to take me back as his wife  and also out of being scared

 

 

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also,  I disagree that all that eternal life will be like is the garden of Eden,  from the the New Testament describes it is going to be much better than this,  not the same thing all over again

 

better than we during our human lifetimes can even possibly imagine,  although we can try

 

Jesus is the creator of pleasure and excitement,  and eternal life will be both pleasurable and exciting  as well as fun and joyous  very different from "boring and placid" like many assume,  although it will be peaceful there as well

 

 

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0 votes RE: Jesus's grace versus willful sinning

also,  I disagree that all that eternal life will be like is the garden of Eden,  from the the New Testament describes it is going to be much better than this,  not the same thing all over again

Eden is quote unquote "Better Than This", it was God's initial intention without the mental complications of knowledge being in our grasp. It'd be like if your pet could suddenly read and speak the human tongue, a lot of things you once took for granted would change in an instant, becoming significantly more complicated. 

The Rapture's pretty crazy stuff though, you should look into it to see what you're really signing up for. 


Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

And I heard a voice from heaven like the roar of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps,

and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb,

and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.

- Revelation 14:1-5


 

better than we during our human lifetimes can even possibly imagine,  although we can try

That's the thing, Eden Mk. 2 has no 'Lifetime' worries, it essentially is an afterlife. 

It just won't be the same for those who are there as it is for those in Heaven. Some Christians are just better than others I guess, namely Virgin Harp players. 🤣

Jesus is the creator of pleasure and excitement, and eternal life will be both pleasurable and exciting as well as fun and joyous very different from "boring and placid" like many assume,  although it will be peaceful there as well

It sounded really empty when I read about it. 

What is pleasure even if you don't have moments of displeasure? With less of a comparison to make the feeling will dull, and having it constantly will make it as if it's not there at all as it overtime feels more normal. It sounds like a really dry, meaningless Bliss. 

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0 votes RE: Jesus's grace versus willful sinning

"You Can Sin All You Want", oh my. 

This is the sort of thing where it's true, technically, but people noticing it begins to undo why it works. 

elaborate ?

It's a matter of priorities. 

If someone thinks they can sin and just ask for forgiveness through means like prayer or confession, then past a point their intent won't really be over trying to change, but rather absolving themselves of blame or guilt so they may do it again the next day. These lot just aim to avoid punishment rather than being a proper Christian, they don't really change beyond feeling the need to present a spiritual bribe every so often to continue. 

The Bible stresses that God sees someone's intent by being some sort of heart-seeker, so if your intent is simply like cleaning out the queue then you aren't really cleansing yourself, you're absolving yourself. The point is over shedding that weight to the point of transformation, not just lightening the load for your next expected fuckup. 

You have to mean it, you're basically dealing with a mind reader over how all of this is supposedly pre-written. 

from my understanding,  there is supposed to be a tension between trying to stop sinning and knowing that Jesus can help you to stop sinning  and to even put your sinning into remission so that you do not want to do it anymore,  and knowing that under Jesus's grace all of your sins are forgiven  and that he will have mercy on all of your mistakes

In less words, it boils down to Intent. 

my mistake is impatience,  I suppose  I became so frustrated at the lack of quick progress that I gave up alltogether out of anger and because I felt like he was making me feel stupid 

Speaking in parables and strange hyperbole has a weird way of doing that, it's very counter-intuitive and often sounds condescending. 

when I really want trying my best  and Jesus knows that I have been trying my best to let him lead me and guide me and to learn how to do his will  which is why I am still alive clearly and still not given fully over to Satan clearly  because Jesus is having mercy on me because the intentions of my heart are sincere

Have you ever asked yourself if there might be somewhere between the two? 

mostly what I am concerned with is losing my chance at Jesus having spieitual sex with me  because I really want to know what it is like  lol,  but I might have to give up that focused desire and put the salvation of my soul and not being cast away in the end even after having spent my life trying to be a Christian  first

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only Jesus can show me the way not to be cast away or condemned to eternal hell,  and I have been trusting him to do this and I am not going to stop now,  because I asked him to take me back as his wife  and also out of being scared

During moments of his silence though it sounds like you'll be left to guide yourself. 

You'll need a plan for those times. 

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