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Jesus's grace versus willful sinning


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bible study topic of the day  for me anyway

 

I committed my first willful sin since April 2021,  wondering if it would still be forgiven and at the time my confidence was high that it would be,  but it really has shaken my faith,  because there are so many warnings about not continuing in willful sinning  and that continuing in willful sinning could even lead to being cast away by Jesus in the end

 

I am not continuing in willful sinning  (all of the sinning that I do currently I feel like I am not in control over and have all of my reasons and excuses for this,  the main one being that I need to get to the root lies that I am believing about myself and about my relationship with Jesus that have caused me to act out in so many sinful ways, and I do not know what they all are yet and am in counseling for this )  but I have been questioning can even committing just one willful sin throw you out of Jesus's grace ?

 

or is it more like continued willful sinning that could lead to permanent apostasy that is being warned about ?

 

 

last edit on 12/19/2021 7:55:04 PM
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and if you start putting conditions on grace,  is it truly grace ?

 

if you are truly filled with the holy spirit,  you should automatically not want to be willfully sinning because you know that it is hurting yourself  and other people  and your relationship with Jesus

 

but nonetheless,  I did commit a willful sin and a pretty serious one,  and it was probably a manifestation of all of the other sinning that I have been doing that I have all of the excuses for

 

 

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Jesus,  If you are still in my life and you still love me and I am still saved,  please lead me and guide me and give me wisdom and peace and assurance of the truth on this matter  🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊✝️

 

 

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and if you start putting conditions on grace,  is it truly grace ?

You're starting to sound like me. 

if you are truly filled with the holy spirit,  you should automatically not want to be willfully sinning because you know that it is hurting yourself  and other people  and your relationship with Jesus

Free Will though, it's by His grace that you may experience failure like this. 

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last edit on 12/19/2021 8:11:57 PM
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https://redeeminggod.com/grace-is-free-you-can-sin-all-you-want/

 

^  I think that Jesus's grace is unconconditional once you have accepted him as your Savior and his forgiveness of all of your sins as long as you keep believing that he died was buried and was resurrected for the forgiveness of all of your past, present and potentially but hopefully not future sins,  this is the view that my mother and my counselor and my church hold  (all non-denominational Christian)

 

It is just that there are still earthly consequences for sinning, and Jesus disciplines you,  and you lose out on potential rewards in eternal life  (I probably will not have very many  lol,  although as his significant other  like I do not think that I can sin enough to lose my status as his significant other because  I and I alone was created to be that,  but I probably will not have many extra rewards especially not now after re-divorcing him and then asking him to take me back again  😕😔🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊✝️)

 

 

but maybe Jesus will use me re-divorcing him and asking him to take me back for good somehow,  and maybe I will just get different rewards now instead of the rewards that I would have got if maybe I did not re-divorce him and ask him to take me back again,  not necessarily  "less"  or "not as good"............

 

at the very least,  me going through this and having my faith shaken is forcing me to thoroughly examine Jesus's grace scripturally  and I know that I cannot be the only one confused on what all is and is not forgiven,  and if there are any exceptions to being forgiven after you have accepted Jesus as Savior

 

and also it did humble me a lotttttttttttt  which I probably needed  and this might have been the best way to do it  I do not know because my pride had been getting the best of me in a lot of ways

 

 

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"You Can Sin All You Want", oh my. 

This is the sort of thing where it's true, technically, but people noticing it begins to undo why it works. 

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"You Can Sin All You Want", oh my. 

This is the sort of thing where it's true, technically, but people noticing it begins to undo why it works. 

 

elaborate ?

 

 

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I feel like it is a safe expectation that I will be getting not many rewards in eternal life  because I seem to be failing like almost every test so far  except trying to continue to believe that I am forgiven for all of my sins

 

what even are the rewards anyway  ?  Jesus is probably going to give me like one maximum  lol

 

 

last edit on 12/19/2021 9:11:32 PM
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"You Can Sin All You Want", oh my. 

This is the sort of thing where it's true, technically, but people noticing it begins to undo why it works. 

elaborate ?

It's a matter of priorities. 

If someone thinks they can sin and just ask for forgiveness through means like prayer or confession, then past a point their intent won't really be over trying to change, but rather absolving themselves of blame or guilt so they may do it again the next day. These lot just aim to avoid punishment rather than being a proper Christian, they don't really change beyond feeling the need to present a spiritual bribe every so often to continue. 

The Bible stresses that God sees someone's intent by being some sort of heart-seeker, so if your intent is simply like cleaning out the queue then you aren't really cleansing yourself, you're absolving yourself. The point is over shedding that weight to the point of transformation, not just lightening the load for your next expected fuckup. 

You have to mean it, you're basically dealing with a mind reader over how all of this is supposedly pre-written. 

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last edit on 12/19/2021 9:22:36 PM
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what even are the rewards anyway?

Come The Rapture, all who have died will be resurrected and judged. No one is actually in Heaven right now, that is reserved for the End of Times as we understand them. 

The Bible states that 144,000 of the best most Christian men will ascend into Heaven effectively to be God's generals during the war, the rest who otherwise did 'Good Enough' will be used as foot soldiers in the war against Satan. Over the course of said war it's prophesized that God and Jesus will kill, or cast down, every non-believer in a smiting fashion, and only then will he kill Death itself, rendering all immortal once again as it was once in The Garden of Eden. 

The Earth will then be rebuilt into an effective Eden Mk. 2, with those who've been brought back ignorant of Sin and that which was wrought by the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Who knows, maybe someone will partake of a different forbidden fruit entirely and this mess will start anew in an entirely different direction. 

Pretty much the prize is being foot soldiers in a war against Quintessential Humanity, capable of dying a second time in such a way that you may not even live to see Eden Mk. 2, and having to live the rest of your existence spiritually lobotomized with your choices even more limited than they are now through a forced ignorance. 

The prize is bliss through ignorance with no more death and, likely, no more new life either. People will probably have to resort to being vegetarians again too. It will be the death of both passion and the arts, as without toil there'd be no reason to struggle. People will probably just sit around naked all day picking plants off the land like an animal. 

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last edit on 12/19/2021 9:39:46 PM
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