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LeggaLeggaLegga said: 

NotCS said: 

Christians believe in the Bible because Jesus is the word, so they have to believe in Jesus and what he did and that’s in the Bible. If you Don’t believe in the Bible, how can you believe in Jesus?

It depends on what you mean by believe in bible. Believing that the Bible was influenced by God, for example, is different from thinking it's the literal word of God. It then comes down to interpretation.  That's why there are so many denominations.

"Inspired by God" yes. I do think it has very useful information. It's still important to pray and know God personally (from the source).

if parts of the Bible are not true, then the entire thing is useless and also not true,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition

That's a logical fallacy.

It's not "untrue". It just might be metaphorical. The book of Revelations is a prime example of metaphores.

It is our weapon against the devil and the words and promises in the Bible are true and are things we are supposed to live by and preach to others. If the Bible is not believed, how are we to spread the gospel? How can we convert people? Say hey, read this book of fantasy and believe that the guy in there is real.

It's worked pretty well for the lutherans.

LOL. You spread the core gospel. 

God : God made man who is accountable to Him.

Man : Man rebelled into sin unable to save itself from the power and penalty of their misdeeds.

Hope : God sent his son to live and die in our place to save us from the penalty and power of sin.

Response : God calls everyone to repent and believe (have faith). To clarify repentance comes from the word “metanoia” which means “a change of mind”. A change of mind is one that acknowledges and turns to the true gospel of God. 

That’s retarded. You can’t be a true Christian without believing the Bible is real, especially since Jesus’s own words are written there. What he actually said to his disciples and to nonbelievers is what we are to use to guide us through this life and our religion. The Bible is real and is the word of God and Jesus is the living word. And Toast is not Christian.

What do you mean real? You mean you take it literally word-for-word?

It's real and it's important. But there's such thing as the "the bare naked Christianity". See what if a person had no access to the bible? Right before they die you tell them about Christ and they believe it whole-heartedly. It is sufficient!

The Urantia Book makes up for this discrepancy with remedial worlds -- the "Mansion Worlds" -- which successively address the deficits a world in the aftermath of Rebellion and deviation have undergone, post-worldly-death.

Spiritism has reincarnation take this role of continuous process of learning and spiritual progress; the purification of the soul/spirit.  There is no regression; there is either stagnation or progression.  Judgment is according to one's own progress (or not), with the infinite patience of God allowing all opportunity and time.

The CTMU is similar to the Urantia Book in that there is universalities and personal growth which matter to one's connection to the identity of Ultimate Reality (God).

Again, the idea of atonement and sacrifice may placate the Saklasian creatures we are, but Jesus was meant to transcend this crude idea of *earning* the love of a Creator.  The only sins we commit of real import are those we commit against one another.  We should be asking more forgiveness from one another, living according to that.

Buttered Toast said: 

The Urantia Book makes up for this discrepancy with remedial worlds -- the "Mansion Worlds" -- which successively address the deficits a world in the aftermath of Rebellion and deviation have undergone, post-worldly-death.

Spiritism has reincarnation take this role of continuous process of learning and spiritual progress; the purification of the soul/spirit.  There is no regression; there is either stagnation or progression.  Judgment is according to one's own progress (or not), with the infinite patience of God allowing all opportunity and time.

The CTMU is similar to the Urantia Book in that there is universalities and personal growth which matter to one's connection to the identity of Ultimate Reality (God).

Again, the idea of atonement and sacrifice may placate the Saklasian creatures we are, but Jesus was meant to transcend this crude idea of *earning* the love of a Creator.  The only sins we commit of real import are those we commit against one another.  We should be asking more forgiveness from one another, living according to that.

Sounds pretty similar to Hinduism. 

Turncoat said: 

Buttered Toast said: 

The Urantia Book makes up for this discrepancy with remedial worlds -- the "Mansion Worlds" -- which successively address the deficits a world in the aftermath of Rebellion and deviation have undergone, post-worldly-death.

Spiritism has reincarnation take this role of continuous process of learning and spiritual progress; the purification of the soul/spirit.  There is no regression; there is either stagnation or progression.  Judgment is according to one's own progress (or not), with the infinite patience of God allowing all opportunity and time.

The CTMU is similar to the Urantia Book in that there is universalities and personal growth which matter to one's connection to the identity of Ultimate Reality (God).

Again, the idea of atonement and sacrifice may placate the Saklasian creatures we are, but Jesus was meant to transcend this crude idea of *earning* the love of a Creator.  The only sins we commit of real import are those we commit against one another.  We should be asking more forgiveness from one another, living according to that.

Sounds pretty similar to Hinduism. 

 I'll look more into it.  Hinduism is the predecessor to Buddhism, no?

Buttered Toast said: 

Turncoat said: 

Buttered Toast said: 

The Urantia Book makes up for this discrepancy with remedial worlds -- the "Mansion Worlds" -- which successively address the deficits a world in the aftermath of Rebellion and deviation have undergone, post-worldly-death.

Spiritism has reincarnation take this role of continuous process of learning and spiritual progress; the purification of the soul/spirit.  There is no regression; there is either stagnation or progression.  Judgment is according to one's own progress (or not), with the infinite patience of God allowing all opportunity and time.

The CTMU is similar to the Urantia Book in that there is universalities and personal growth which matter to one's connection to the identity of Ultimate Reality (God).

Again, the idea of atonement and sacrifice may placate the Saklasian creatures we are, but Jesus was meant to transcend this crude idea of *earning* the love of a Creator.  The only sins we commit of real import are those we commit against one another.  We should be asking more forgiveness from one another, living according to that.

Sounds pretty similar to Hinduism. 

 I'll look more into it.  Hinduism is the predecessor to Buddhism, no?

Offhand I just know Hinduism's older, but Google seems to think so, which makes sense since they do have some similarities in world-building. 

The idea of the Ultimate Reality being God matches up with Hinduism's idea of the Brahman, Spiritism and focusing more on your fellow man and the world sounds Karmic even though the model's rid of the chutes in the chutes and ladders dichotomy, with Hinduism emphasizing things like stealing from temples as enough to lose some points, and there's multiple deific characters of varying degrees of strength who are written as subverting the usual limitations of mortals similar to Jesus and Moses and the like. 

I'm not an expert in this area, but it seems similar. 

The point is BT prayed to my God (Jesus) and saw something working. He believes me that Jesus is working in my life... I need to figure out my purpose/responsibilities.

One thing these different belief systems seem to agree on: reality comes from a singular, undifferentiated unity.  Where they all start getting their flavor is in how the differentiation works and the implications.

The CTMU calls it UBT -- Unbound Telesis -- which is what you get when you remove all restraint to distinctions/information.  Instead of "nothingness" we have an "everythingness" from which we begin to get what we recognize as reality -- through concepts like "syndiffeonesis" (difference-in-sameness) and "multiplex unity" among other concepts.  What I appreciate most in this is the logical, consistent manner it maintains this unity yet differentiation.  It is, as it seems to purport, a supertautology.  What isn't clear is the hierarchy of angelic and other-than-human beings, but tend to take on a egregore character.  Creatures of mind/spirit, operating on stratum of identity with reality.

The Urantia Book describes the different atemporal "steps" the Universal Father took to divest himself of all he could, eventuating in the Trinity and other attenuated "personalities".  The UB has a very intricate hierarchy with the character of celestial government.

Spiritism doesn't have any real spiritual hierarchy whatsoever, graded more on their progress of purification.  There are no angels or demons, just people, really.  There are spirits which may have been from other planets, some incarnating here.  There's God and there's spirits, material reality for the reincarnation process and a spiritual realm for between incarnations and spirit existence.  It's rather sparse, but presented more as a continuum than hardlines and hierarchy.  The nature of spirit is very much like mind.

Hinduism may bear many similarities, since it could be the root of the evolution of their concepts.

Feathers said: 

The point is BT prayed to my God (Jesus) and saw something working. He believes me that Jesus is working in my life... I need to figure out my purpose/responsibilities.

 Yes; I'm yet to determine the exact nature of this relationship and its responsible parties, but I'm willing to allow it's positive influence, and figure out the intent.

Buttered Toast said: 

 

Again, the idea of atonement and sacrifice may placate the Saklasian creatures we are, but Jesus was meant to transcend this crude idea of *earning* the love of a Creator.  The only sins we commit of real import are those we commit against one another.  We should be asking more forgiveness from one another, living according to that.

I don't believe in earning God's love either... or that the Calvary sacrifice caused God's love. I think even the bible shows God's love comes first.

John 6:13 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".

1 John 4:10 "In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins".