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2 votes RE: Natasha, your trial is unfair

sist told me himself that u made him uncomfortable cos u made some reference to his dick and he didnt like it. maybe he didn't wanna tell you that, or maybe you framed the question manipulatively so as to pressure him not to call u out.

the reason i say this is that i witnessed myself, when sist told us about you and crow wanting to bash trips legs in with bats (another reason i wouldnt necessarily want u around her esp with crow's influence) u tried to lie and pressured sist to lie for you, and he embarrassed u and confirmed what i and others had been saying, that he witnessed a convo between u and crow, about beating the shit out of trip while he was fucked on drugs and actually got mad at you over it. i believe your reaction was smth along the lines of 'wow, i can't believe u thought we were serious', when before u were claiming it was a completely made up lie rather than a misinterpretation. you even used the same narrative as you're attempting here 'sug tends to make stuff up/warps things etc' and ur own friend who you lived with and traveled with for months exposed you as a manipulative liar.

didn't u also steal trip's ipad or smth along those lines, maybe to get payback cos he ripped the sink out of the wall. either way i don't want you around her and i have ample reason not to.

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1 votes RE: Natasha, your trial is unfair

you're literally demonstrating you are a meddler. the 'problems' in BR and dels marriage are none of your concern. it's not like you're stepping in cos u heard BR hit her, or raped her, it's only ever to provoke delora alongside jim, and then as soon as she reacts go running to her husband to tell him how terrible she is. BR doesn't want you, yet u remain unphased and continue to interfere in his relationship with a clear agenda in mind. this is worrying behavior.

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2 votes RE: Natasha, your trial is unfair
Lenalee said: 

You're actively trying to stop it. 

Me pointing out what you're doing isn't me trying to stop it. I'm simply pointing it out.

I dunno, in other topics it seemed pushier. 

What other topics? 

Pretty much any topic where this happens, which I presume is over her DMing you about it. 

You used to be pushier about trying to fix it, then you became more passive snark about it, now it's more like random lash outs that I imagine come from private conversations inspiring it. 

Even how you and her are responding about Legga right now is somewhat echo chambered. 

Her calling out legga for being sneaky and editing messages? I mean you do that too with his deleted topics. Private conversation lash outs? Lmao what? 

It's been more than that though, and she won't even explore the possibility that he's not Male Feminist. 

You two have already written in your heads what must be going on and won't even venture his version. 

Lmao this is thin.

 

She never assumed that. You did.

So what would you say is why she's more rabidly running to your defense and, for reasons I don't understand this far along into our time here, why she's fixating like three times as much on Crow than myself. 

Is it over you defending my credibility in private or something, because the ratios before were very different. 

I don't think she rabidly doing anything. It you that keeps trying to push that and i keep telling you that's not the case. 

I don't know what to tell you then when others are starting to pick up on it too. 

Who are the others? 

Would you even believe me if I called out names? 

People have a tendency to Chet out when their name's directly called on, so I'll reserve this potentially for someone who isn't this biased. 

Sure i would believe you, I'd also just ask them as well. You tend to try to speak for others a lot when it's not the case and you've convinced yourself that others see what you see. So if you give names I'd ask them just to make sure this isn't you spiralling. 

 

You mean the times where you were actively stalking her and trying to screenshot things out of context to push a story?that's still you being catty and weird.

Is it stalking when I type my name into a search to see who's been talking about me, only to find that the majority of it's usually her?

It's definitely some sort of ego expression to feel the need to check if people talk about you or not, but I wouldn't call it being a stalker. Also how long has it even been since I did those screencap shinanigans that, might I add, would be impossible if she wasn't starting all that stuff up? 

You have very clear bias here and I don't know how to help you. 

Remember when you took a discord argument and brought it here and it had like, nothing to do with you? I believe it was Xadem drunkenly demanding something- anyways you decided to only post the afterwards of sug talking. You trying to push something again. You do this. A lot. You tried to fake concern about my mental health, were you actually worried I'd think you'd reach out. You and i aren't that close but if I had a legitimate concern i wouldn't be making theories to others about you, I'd be asking you directly.

You like pushing ideas into others so that they may accept them. It's coward shit.

Okay, explain to me your version of the Xadem story, because this might be you believing more Sugar-coated frosted nonsense. 

 The story where he demanded i stop being her friend because he didn't like her and then went on an emotional drunk tirade? The part you posted was you just being SEE LENA IS HER KEEPER or some shit like that. You tried to present it as something else.

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>you guys have an echo chamber, you've clearly discussed certain things in dm together to make sure you're on the same page, you believe her sugar coated nonsense (lol)

>but what I don't understand are the parts of Sug's opinion that don't seem to mirror yours, or at least that you choose to not piggieback. 

wat

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 
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I count it. Again she makes points as you and you ignore them but then choose to talk about her at any opportunity that comes up. You're catty that way.

You're making this sound like something that's done a lot more often than it is. Most of the time there's really not much to say about her, yet she talks about me at every opportunity over weird presumptions and warped versions of old history. 

She's kinda Legga-ing. 

Lmao she literally talks to you directly and answers others as well. She's talks about stuff that's happened on the forum and doesn't warp it, what has she warped?

If you believe her versions of things then I have to look like some sort of goblin while Crow looks like some sort of evil witch.

Do you even read all the stuff she says about me or just sort of glaze over it, because she's done like 90% of the talking when it's come to the two of us mentioning one-another and it keeps coming across as these weirdly exaggerated narratives with sexual themes at the forefront that, often enough, were cooked up in her head with very little basis. Even for what areas are accurate it's shit from like half a decade ago, she's fixated and it's getting increasingly stalkery. 

Seriously she's Legga-ing, and others are starting to notice after this many years of it. 

What is she warping?

The question's closer to 'what isn't she'. 

You can't tell me what she's warped?

It's seriously more of it than it isn't, and I can't help but feel like you're being facetious here. We've discussed this on and off for years with quotes when they were still relevant, and each time I've corrected it she's preferred the other narrative without needing proof, even saying when corrected by the sources she's citing that they're either lying from being cowardly if not some sort of Genetic conclusion, yet won't dispute the portions from those same people that she's otherwise used as the crux of her belief. All it's really shown me is that she's not worth correcting when years later it's still twisting and when those she cites don't even agree with it, and it ultimately feels like a wild goose chase when you're already primed to not believe it this much, when you've already seen much of it, and when we've talked about it numerous times. 

We can take for example her attempt to write me and Crow as sexual deviants in this topic to apply a basic model. She keeps trying to say I grabbed for Syst's dick when my bringing that up with him had him very 'wtf' over it,

This is stuff that syst told us over VC. like there were other people present when he said this. He sounded like you were definitely trying to put moves on him. That he decides to lie to you afterwards about out or that he decides to exaggerate things and lie about events that happened with you and crow isn't on sug. It's on Syst.

 

and this idea of Crow going after Tryp while he was visiting is sheer nonsense when the guy was so hopped up on experimental drugs that he thought we were going to kill him in his sleep.

To be fair you both did plot to go at him with bats or something, another thing Syst told us about. 

 

My concern over the BR situation is over being his friend, an IRL one who even has shared experiences with having gone to the same high school and lived in similar areas, yet even that gets twisted to being about me trying to steal him from Delora when you've been clearly watching the Delora/BR narrative for a while now and likely see the problems with their marriage as well as the others here who actually bother to pay attention. 

But why even meddle? Let them make their mistakes. He doesn't want to listen so let him learn. It's really that easy

 

The only accurate part in that entire rambling was over my laughing at Syst at the spa where they only allowed you a rather tiny modesty towel. The guy felt insecure from being in a sea of dicks, of course I found it hilarious, and he spent the majority of our time there sipping on juice and reading a foreign newspaper in a waiting room once all that asian dong became too much to bear. 


This has also been explained multiple times, and it won't even be to my benefit for bothering beyond a sense of self-validation. 

 Syst said you made him uncomfortable when talking about his dick. This is all stuff coming from certain people and it's being retold as they have told us.

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0 votes RE: Natasha, your trial is unfair
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

You're actively trying to stop it. 

Me pointing out what you're doing isn't me trying to stop it. I'm simply pointing it out.

I dunno, in other topics it seemed pushier. 

What other topics? 

Pretty much any topic where this happens, which I presume is over her DMing you about it. 

You used to be pushier about trying to fix it, then you became more passive snark about it, now it's more like random lash outs that I imagine come from private conversations inspiring it. 

Even how you and her are responding about Legga right now is somewhat echo chambered. 

Her calling out legga for being sneaky and editing messages? I mean you do that too with his deleted topics. Private conversation lash outs? Lmao what? 

It's been more than that though, and she won't even explore the possibility that he's not Male Feminist. 

You two have already written in your heads what must be going on and won't even venture his version. 

Lmao this is thin.

Do you think he's Male Feminist? 

She never assumed that. You did.

So what would you say is why she's more rabidly running to your defense and, for reasons I don't understand this far along into our time here, why she's fixating like three times as much on Crow than myself. 

Is it over you defending my credibility in private or something, because the ratios before were very different. 

I don't think she rabidly doing anything. It you that keeps trying to push that and i keep telling you that's not the case. 

I don't know what to tell you then when others are starting to pick up on it too. 

Who are the others? 

Would you even believe me if I called out names? 

People have a tendency to Chet out when their name's directly called on, so I'll reserve this potentially for someone who isn't this biased. 

Sure i would believe you, I'd also just ask them as well. You tend to try to speak for others a lot when it's not the case and you've convinced yourself that others see what you see. So if you give names I'd ask them just to make sure this isn't you spiralling. 

...we've done this dance before multiple times and nothing changes. 

You just go on believing your version, this is ultimately an exercise in futility that'd serve to have us rehashing the same shit we've already spent time talking about before. It's not my responsibility to fix it so you might as well just continue on as you are. 

You mean the times where you were actively stalking her and trying to screenshot things out of context to push a story?that's still you being catty and weird.

Is it stalking when I type my name into a search to see who's been talking about me, only to find that the majority of it's usually her?

It's definitely some sort of ego expression to feel the need to check if people talk about you or not, but I wouldn't call it being a stalker. Also how long has it even been since I did those screencap shinanigans that, might I add, would be impossible if she wasn't starting all that stuff up? 

You have very clear bias here and I don't know how to help you. 

Remember when you took a discord argument and brought it here and it had like, nothing to do with you? I believe it was Xadem drunkenly demanding something- anyways you decided to only post the afterwards of sug talking. You trying to push something again. You do this. A lot. You tried to fake concern about my mental health, were you actually worried I'd think you'd reach out. You and i aren't that close but if I had a legitimate concern i wouldn't be making theories to others about you, I'd be asking you directly.

You like pushing ideas into others so that they may accept them. It's coward shit.

Okay, explain to me your version of the Xadem story, because this might be you believing more Sugar-coated frosted nonsense. 

The story where he demanded i stop being her friend because he didn't like her and then went on an emotional drunk tirade? The part you posted was you just being SEE LENA IS HER KEEPER or some shit like that. You tried to present it as something else.

I mean tbh I otherwise agree with Xadem, being her friend's been probably one of the more toxic relationships in your life, but back when we still sent eachother DMs you essentially conditioned me towards never bringing her up while she'd clearly still be ranting and raving about me on her own end. Things don't go well when she's brought up, even if it'd be to your benefit to at least understand how things could come across in such a way, so I had to stop if we were to have any sense of continued civility. 

You have a sensitivity when it comes to her that affects your judgement, and the more it gets called on the more you retreat towards her that becomes reflected in short term increases in bias. It lets her get away with a surprising amount that you'd not respond the same towards if it came from someone else (like Legga for example). 

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

You're actively trying to stop it. 

Me pointing out what you're doing isn't me trying to stop it. I'm simply pointing it out.

I dunno, in other topics it seemed pushier. 

What other topics? 

Pretty much any topic where this happens, which I presume is over her DMing you about it. 

You used to be pushier about trying to fix it, then you became more passive snark about it, now it's more like random lash outs that I imagine come from private conversations inspiring it. 

Even how you and her are responding about Legga right now is somewhat echo chambered. 

Her calling out legga for being sneaky and editing messages? I mean you do that too with his deleted topics. Private conversation lash outs? Lmao what? 

It's been more than that though, and she won't even explore the possibility that he's not Male Feminist. 

You two have already written in your heads what must be going on and won't even venture his version. 

Lmao this is thin.

Do you think he's Male Feminist? 

I think it's either him or Fry, when I said editing messages and threads that wasn't about male feminist tho. This wasn't about discovering a puppet identity tho.

She never assumed that. You did.

So what would you say is why she's more rabidly running to your defense and, for reasons I don't understand this far along into our time here, why she's fixating like three times as much on Crow than myself. 

Is it over you defending my credibility in private or something, because the ratios before were very different. 

I don't think she rabidly doing anything. It you that keeps trying to push that and i keep telling you that's not the case. 

I don't know what to tell you then when others are starting to pick up on it too. 

Who are the others? 

Would you even believe me if I called out names? 

People have a tendency to Chet out when their name's directly called on, so I'll reserve this potentially for someone who isn't this biased. 

Sure i would believe you, I'd also just ask them as well. You tend to try to speak for others a lot when it's not the case and you've convinced yourself that others see what you see. So if you give names I'd ask them just to make sure this isn't you spiralling. 

...we've done this dance before multiple times and nothing changes. 

You just go on believing your version, this is ultimately an exercise in futility that'd serve to have us rehashing the same shit we've already spent time talking about before. It's not my responsibility to fix it so you might as well just continue on as you are. 

Just give me their names, it shouldn't be that hard. I'd believe what you're claiming if you give me their names and let me ask them.

 

You mean the times where you were actively stalking her and trying to screenshot things out of context to push a story?that's still you being catty and weird.

Is it stalking when I type my name into a search to see who's been talking about me, only to find that the majority of it's usually her?

It's definitely some sort of ego expression to feel the need to check if people talk about you or not, but I wouldn't call it being a stalker. Also how long has it even been since I did those screencap shinanigans that, might I add, would be impossible if she wasn't starting all that stuff up? 

You have very clear bias here and I don't know how to help you. 

Remember when you took a discord argument and brought it here and it had like, nothing to do with you? I believe it was Xadem drunkenly demanding something- anyways you decided to only post the afterwards of sug talking. You trying to push something again. You do this. A lot. You tried to fake concern about my mental health, were you actually worried I'd think you'd reach out. You and i aren't that close but if I had a legitimate concern i wouldn't be making theories to others about you, I'd be asking you directly.

You like pushing ideas into others so that they may accept them. It's coward shit.

Okay, explain to me your version of the Xadem story, because this might be you believing more Sugar-coated frosted nonsense. 

The story where he demanded i stop being her friend because he didn't like her and then went on an emotional drunk tirade? The part you posted was you just being SEE LENA IS HER KEEPER or some shit like that. You tried to present it as something else.

I mean tbh I otherwise agree with Xadem, being her friend's been probably one of the more toxic relationships in your life, but back when we still sent eachother DMs you essentially conditioned me towards never bringing her up while she'd clearly still be ranting and raving about me on her own end. Things don't go well when she's brought up, even if it'd be to your benefit to at least understand how things could come across in such a way, so I had to stop if we were to have any sense of continued civility. 

You have a sensitivity when it comes to her that affects your judgement, and the more it gets called on the more you retreat towards her that becomes reflected in short term increases in bias. It lets her get away with a surprising amount that you'd not respond the same towards if it came from someone else (like Legga for example). 

 Actually, you were probably one of the most toxic friendships I've ever had. I remember saying things to the same degree about how you refuse to engage her directly and that it shows you're scared. 

Even now you're still trying the same things you used to do, i thought you grew out of it but you were just waiting for someone to echo, it was Jim before and now it's legga.

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Lenalee said:
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Lenalee said:
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If you believe her versions of things then I have to look like some sort of goblin while Crow looks like some sort of evil witch.

Do you even read all the stuff she says about me or just sort of glaze over it, because she's done like 90% of the talking when it's come to the two of us mentioning one-another and it keeps coming across as these weirdly exaggerated narratives with sexual themes at the forefront that, often enough, were cooked up in her head with very little basis. Even for what areas are accurate it's shit from like half a decade ago, she's fixated and it's getting increasingly stalkery. 

Seriously she's Legga-ing, and others are starting to notice after this many years of it. 

What is she warping?

The question's closer to 'what isn't she'. 

You can't tell me what she's warped?

It's seriously more of it than it isn't, and I can't help but feel like you're being facetious here. We've discussed this on and off for years with quotes when they were still relevant, and each time I've corrected it she's preferred the other narrative without needing proof, even saying when corrected by the sources she's citing that they're either lying from being cowardly if not some sort of Genetic conclusion, yet won't dispute the portions from those same people that she's otherwise used as the crux of her belief. All it's really shown me is that she's not worth correcting when years later it's still twisting and when those she cites don't even agree with it, and it ultimately feels like a wild goose chase when you're already primed to not believe it this much, when you've already seen much of it, and when we've talked about it numerous times. 

We can take for example her attempt to write me and Crow as sexual deviants in this topic to apply a basic model. She keeps trying to say I grabbed for Syst's dick when my bringing that up with him had him very 'wtf' over it,

This is stuff that syst told us over VC. like there were other people present when he said this. 

He sounded like you were definitely trying to put moves on him. That he decides to lie to you afterwards about out or that he decides to exaggerate things and lie about events that happened with you and crow isn't on sug. It's on Syst. 

I just know two things: 

A) I didn't reach for his dick, this story's super weird and when I confronted him over the accusation he seemed confused rather than shrouded or defensive. I know of a story similar to that, but that story involved someone else entirely while being on a high dose of LSD from a night where he thought he was dying and that people in white coats were going to pick him up as he projectile vomited like the spitting dinosaurs in Jurrasic Park or the demon from The Exorcist, and I wasn't even in the room to verify that story's accuracy so I don't even fully believe that story based on the rest of that tale's context. 

FFS even if I was thirsting for that I'm not that brave, plus not to mention the whole 'committed relationship' thing with me and Crow and my own hang ups about things like 'cheating'. If I reached for that dude's dick he'd be making a much bigger fuss about it, especially considering the current state of his politics. That I'd even have to defend myself over this is insane, I'm a craven paranoid submissive, I'm not going to be the one initiating most of the time even with my own partners. 


B) I only have what he said from his version versus you two's version, and he and I definitely agree with each other that there was no dick reaching going on. He has also since come forward to defend himself over these accusations, for whatever reason, while saying to my face that he has no idea where she's getting that idea from. 

If he said that I reached for his dick that's only as on me as the room for him to slander my reputation towards appearing as some sort of perverse deviant. I know I'm a masochist but that's about the extent of it. 


Conclusion: You can blame him as much as you want for whatever weird things he might have found himself saying, the dude says weird stuff and comes to strange conclusions and he knows I think that about him from my saying that to his face more than once, but this piece of data should not contribute towards a perverting of how I'm otherwise taken by people as if it were accurate. He and I don't really talk much these days other than over his spin on politics so it's really moreover how his word's being taken than however he and I will feel about each other at the end of the day. 

and this idea of Crow going after Tryp while he was visiting is sheer nonsense when the guy was so hopped up on experimental drugs that he thought we were going to kill him in his sleep.

To be fair you both did plot to go at him with bats or something, another thing Syst told us about. 

No we didn't, we never went at him with bats. 

How do you even believe something that nutty sounding? 

My concern over the BR situation is over being his friend, an IRL one who even has shared experiences with having gone to the same high school and lived in similar areas, yet even that gets twisted to being about me trying to steal him from Delora when you've been clearly watching the Delora/BR narrative for a while now and likely see the problems with their marriage as well as the others here who actually bother to pay attention. 

But why even meddle? Let them make their mistakes. He doesn't want to listen so let him learn. It's really that easy

I found their situation very concerning and he's my friend, her behavior has been pretty awful beyond the bounds of comfortably watching it go on when I know the guy now. He'd effectively become socially isolated with no one else to talk to, leading to all sorts of Gaslight damages, and once he saw me defending him he opened up to me more about what was going on. 

He's since found other people to be his social network that otherwise recognize the problem she's presenting, and while he and I still talk about music and stuff I'm not as much of a crutch for him in that specific area anymore. 

The only accurate part in that entire rambling was over my laughing at Syst at the spa where they only allowed you a rather tiny modesty towel. The guy felt insecure from being in a sea of dicks, of course I found it hilarious, and he spent the majority of our time there sipping on juice and reading a foreign newspaper in a waiting room once all that asian dong became too much to bear. 


This has also been explained multiple times, and it won't even be to my benefit for bothering beyond a sense of self-validation. 

 Syst said you made him uncomfortable when talking about his dick. This is all stuff coming from certain people and it's being retold as they have told us.

Yeah, it did make him uncomfortable, the guy is 'No Homo' personified and the joke was made while he was in a sea of dicks. 

I just said he 'had nothing to worry about' as a joke about his size versus the size of Asians, and from that this entirely weird sexually perverse narrative has been cobbled from it that even he's like 'wtf' over rather than just defensive or sneaky. 

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At this point you're just using ramp up as further confirmation so I'm just going to stop here. 

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I just know two things: 

A) I didn't reach for his dick, this story's super weird and when I confronted him over the accusation he seemed confused rather than shrouded or defensive. I know of a story similar to that, but that story involved someone else entirely while being on a high dose of LSD from a night where he thought he was dying and that people in white coats were going to pick him up as he projectile vomited like the spitting dinosaurs in Jurrasic Park or the demon from The Exorcist, and I wasn't even in the room to verify that story's accuracy so I don't even fully believe that story based on the rest of that tale's context. 

FFS even if I was thirsting for that I'm not that brave, plus not to mention the whole 'committed relationship' thing with me and Crow and my own hang ups about things like 'cheating'. If I reached for that dude's dick he'd be making a much bigger fuss about it, especially considering the current state of his politics. That I'd even have to defend myself over this is insane, I'm a craven paranoid submissive, I'm not going to be the one initiating most of the time even with my own partners. 


B) I only have what he said from his version versus you two's version, and he and I definitely agree with each other that there was no dick reaching going on. He has also since come forward to defend himself over these accusations, for whatever reason, while saying to my face that he has no idea where she's getting that idea from. 

If he said that I reached for his dick that's only as on me as the room for him to slander my reputation towards appearing as some sort of perverse deviant. I know I'm a masochist but that's about the extent of it. 


Conclusion: You can blame him as much as you want for whatever weird things he might have found himself saying, the dude says weird stuff and comes to strange conclusions and he knows I think that about him from my saying that to his face more than once, but this piece of data should not contribute towards a perverting of how I'm otherwise taken by people as if it were accurate. He and I don't really talk much these days other than over his spin on politics so it's really moreover how his word's being taken than however he and I will feel about each other at the end of the day. 

Uh, yeah he said those things idk wqhy you set it up like that. it wasn't just me and sug in that VC, Ephemeral, Dee and some others from the server were there. Then at the very least you can say it's not her doing the warping, she's going off of what Syst had initially said.

and this idea of Crow going after Tryp while he was visiting is sheer nonsense when the guy was so hopped up on experimental drugs that he thought we were going to kill him in his sleep.

To be fair you both did plot to go at him with bats or something, another thing Syst told us about. 

No we didn't, we never went at him with bats. 

How do you even believe something that nutty sounding? 

I said you plotted. Another thing Syst told us about and how he was disappointed with you guys for plotting it on top of roof for it.

My concern over the BR situation is over being his friend, an IRL one who even has shared experiences with having gone to the same high school and lived in similar areas, yet even that gets twisted to being about me trying to steal him from Delora when you've been clearly watching the Delora/BR narrative for a while now and likely see the problems with their marriage as well as the others here who actually bother to pay attention. 

But why even meddle? Let them make their mistakes. He doesn't want to listen so let him learn. It's really that easy

I found their situation very concerning and he's my friend, her behavior has been pretty awful beyond the bounds of comfortably watching it go on when I know the guy now. He'd effectively become socially isolated with no one else to talk to, leading to all sorts of Gaslight damages, and once he saw me defending him he opened up to me more about what was going on. 

He's since found other people to be his social network that otherwise recognize the problem she's presenting, and while he and I still talk about music and stuff I'm not as much of a crutch for him in that specific area anymore. 

Good for him, still say you shouldn't have meddled as much as you did and told you as much back then.

The only accurate part in that entire rambling was over my laughing at Syst at the spa where they only allowed you a rather tiny modesty towel. The guy felt insecure from being in a sea of dicks, of course I found it hilarious, and he spent the majority of our time there sipping on juice and reading a foreign newspaper in a waiting room once all that asian dong became too much to bear. 


This has also been explained multiple times, and it won't even be to my benefit for bothering beyond a sense of self-validation. 

 Syst said you made him uncomfortable when talking about his dick. This is all stuff coming from certain people and it's being retold as they have told us.

Yeah, it did make him uncomfortable, the guy is 'No Homo' personified and the joke was made while he was in a sea of dicks. 

I just said he 'had nothing to worry about' as a joke about his size versus the size of Asians, and from that this entirely weird sexually perverse narrative has been cobbled from it that even he's like 'wtf' over rather than just defensive or sneaky. 

 Oh no, he like said you made a point about talking about his dick. He was very clearly uncomfortable. 🤷

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