And about the invalidation: again, you're framing what's happening wrong. You're interpreting what someone is saying about a thing it's not about, then making an argument using another interpretation that doesn't actually hold relevance.
I think this time you may be the one who's mistaken.
Alright. 🤷🏻 I'm sure that's how it looks like when you are that way.
And about the invalidation: again, you're framing what's happening wrong. You're interpreting what someone is saying about a thing it's not about, then making an argument using another interpretation that doesn't actually hold relevance.
I think this time you may be the one who's mistaken.
Alright. 🤷🏻 I'm sure that's how it looks like when you are that way.
My point's just that an entire world of people striving to stop sinning won't just fix everything, and that the forgiveness model is inherently flawed.
For relevance:
but the real reason I am a Christian is because this world is too messed up for me, and I need to believe that it is going to be made better some day to keep going. and when studying the commandments of Jesus in the scriptures, I realized that if we as humanity all followed them, it would literally solve all of the problems on the earth and heal humanity and the earth.
I suspect that if everyone followed The Bible that we'd still have a lot of problems over schisms in their beliefs, over interpretations of the same texts being taken differently and over if practices should reflect modern ideals or rebuke them. There's more than one way to interpret The Bible's message, oftentimes people I speak with over it don't even believe a lot of the same things beyond using the same source for quotes.
Jesus does not overcomplicate, so neither should you or anyone else. the new covenant God made with us is not law-based, but instead love based and striving to stop sinning based, although none of us are perfect and need Jesus's consistent forgiveness and remission and cleansing power
And about the invalidation: again, you're framing what's happening wrong. You're interpreting what someone is saying about a thing it's not about, then making an argument using another interpretation that doesn't actually hold relevance.
I think this time you may be the one who's mistaken.
Alright. 🤷🏻 I'm sure that's how it looks like when you are that way.
My point's just that an entire world of people striving to stop sinning won't just fix everything, and that the forgiveness model is inherently flawed.
Fine, but I know we agree on certain other points. However, as is specific to Christianity, the "forgiveness model" is the "Atonement" variety. Other "models" might work fine, however Atonement and its problems are what fail here.
And about the invalidation: again, you're framing what's happening wrong. You're interpreting what someone is saying about a thing it's not about, then making an argument using another interpretation that doesn't actually hold relevance.
I think this time you may be the one who's mistaken.
Alright. 🤷🏻 I'm sure that's how it looks like when you are that way.
My point's just that an entire world of people striving to stop sinning won't just fix everything, and that the forgiveness model is inherently flawed.
Fine, but I know we agree on certain other points. However, as is specific to Christianity, the "forgiveness model" is the "Atonement" variety. Other "models" might work fine, however Atonement and its problems are what fail here.
I mean from a Crusader Kings 3/Designer Cult perspective, how would you deal with people breaking your commandments?
I see more problems in their ideas of sin rather than how they resolve it.
Ah, what a better way to say it!
I think I find myself in agreement. While the Atonement paralyzes one from forgiving oneself (generally, through scapegoating/externalizing), one's "No-no List" compounds this with making the necessity more prevalent.
