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Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Aside from that the Bible suggests we treat our slaves as family

Ehhh I dunno about that. A lot of passages treat them like a farm animal: 

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46

 

Okay TC. So I see how you would treat someone if they were your property, and it isn't good.

Moving on..... 

"When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien.

The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."

- Leviticus 19:33-34

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Aside from that the Bible suggests we treat our slaves as family

Ehhh I dunno about that. A lot of passages treat them like a farm animal: 

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46

Okay TC. So I see how you would treat someone if they were your property, and it isn't good.

It's not about what I'd do, it's about what the texts condone. It's even saying they can be passed on as property to someone else's will, and there's commandments that enforce that one ought to follow their slave owner as they'd follow God. 

Frankly it sounds like you'd condone slavery as long as the slave owners are nice. 

Moving on..... 

"When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien.

The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."

- Leviticus 19:33-34

'Love' apparently doesn't mean 'rights' though, if anything the word 'love' feels like it's kept intentionally vague. 

They don't seem to see slavery as oppression, but rather as something transactional, and the ones selling people into slavery were rarely themselves but rather someone of authority (like a parent) doing this to their child, spouse, etc. I think your idea of the here and now might be clouding your ability to see the texts in the context of when they were written. They were often bought as concubines not too dissimilar to how they'd treat the women of lands they've conquered, if not farm workers who essentially had no rights from being of foreign blood. 

The fact that there's texts explicitly dividing the differences between slave and master means they are not 'loving the alien as themselves'. It's a clear contradiction, and they're going much further than mere 'indentured servitude'. It was more so the laws of the land that eventually saw to the freedom of people, not Christian ideals. There's more than enough passages that aim to draw lines between their fellows in spite of the 'feed the hungry' and 'share your shirts' kinds of messages. 

You're free to throw whatever out the window and pervert the text. I don't think you've read the Bible though nor do you see what it really teaches. From your perspective, the Bible teaches us to be assholes, which is laughable in my opinion. 

Spatial Mind said: 

You're free to throw whatever out the window and pervert the text.

Wouldn't you technically be the one perverting the texts by taking then out of the context of when they were written? 

I don't think you've read the Bible though nor do you see what it really teaches. From your perspective, the Bible teaches us to be assholes, which is laughable in my opinion. 

The Bible teaches a lifestyle that, while once relevant to the older world, and while relatively nicer than the rules of their neighbors way back when, doesn't really make as much sense in the here and now to practice without some level of reinterpretation or revision. It only looks like 'assholes' when the texts are taken out of the context of when they were written, and it becomes personal interpretation once you rewrite what the words mean for your own convenience. 

Largely though it pushes slave morality. Honestly the texts make it very easy to sympathize with The Devil over how clearly biased the writing is against him, and even within their own subtext he comes out the more sympathetic character when compared to how God is written from being that much closer to behaving as a human normally would. I've only really felt this way over Christian scripture over how other faiths tend to make things less black and white. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

You're free to throw whatever out the window and pervert the text.

Wouldn't you technically be the one perverting the texts by taking then out of the context of when they were written? 

You're the one saying what love could mean, while frowning at the idea of belonging. So technically not.

I don't think you've read the Bible though nor do you see what it really teaches. From your perspective, the Bible teaches us to be assholes, which is laughable in my opinion. 

The Bible teaches a lifestyle that, while once relevant to the older world, and while relatively nicer than the rules of their neighbors way back when, doesn't really make as much sense in the here and now to practice without some level of reinterpretation or revision. It only looks like 'assholes' when the texts are taken out of the context of when they were written, and it becomes personal interpretation once you rewrite what the words mean for your own convenience. 

Largely though it pushes slave morality. 

 Leviticus is the 3rd book of Moses. Moses was sent to free a nation of slaves from Egypt, who suffered generations of forced labor.  The Israelites. 

Slave is a triggering word. Servant is another, but like I said back then it was a common thing people would do for a living. We still have that profession today but they can hold their own, and like before we can't have them for free.

When I'm out dining and if someone at the table starts treating the waiter like shit, I will write the person off.

If you lived in the USA of old, it would be a good thing for you to have negros and treat them well, and they would be lucky given the circumstance of the times where they would be hunted and beaten by that society. It's not like you could simply put them on a sail ship back to Africa into an Alien world.

Yes I know the above paragraph sounds harsh, but that was the situation back then. Setting a black person free would get them hunted, branded and shackled by the whites. 

God would say get a slave, be fair treat them well etc. Nowhere does it say to be a dick.

Tough pill to swallow. But let's not be wise for a second and see what happens when a broke ass outsider is released without anyone claiming them.

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

You're free to throw whatever out the window and pervert the text.

Wouldn't you technically be the one perverting the texts by taking then out of the context of when they were written? 

You're the one saying what love could mean, while frowning at the idea of belonging. So technically not.

I'm basing it on the texts, their idea of love is left intentionally vague. 🤷

At points they just kind of throw it in there to add optimism to some pretty grim tales and strange claims. 

I don't think you've read the Bible though nor do you see what it really teaches. From your perspective, the Bible teaches us to be assholes, which is laughable in my opinion. 

The Bible teaches a lifestyle that, while once relevant to the older world, and while relatively nicer than the rules of their neighbors way back when, doesn't really make as much sense in the here and now to practice without some level of reinterpretation or revision. It only looks like 'assholes' when the texts are taken out of the context of when they were written, and it becomes personal interpretation once you rewrite what the words mean for your own convenience. 

Largely though it pushes slave morality. 

Leviticus is the 3rd book of Moses. Moses was sent to free a nation of slaves from Egypt, who suffered generations of forced labor.  The Israelites. 

Slave is a triggering word. Servant is another, but like I said back then it was a common thing people would do for a living. We still have that profession today but they can hold their own, and like before we can't have them for free.

If you'd read the texts you'd see it goes over lesser stages than indentured servitude. It's not the same thing as being a waiter at a restaurant, they have more rights. 

God would say get a slave, be fair treat them well etc. Nowhere does it say to be a dick.

Not directly, but it does say how the one in the receiving end of the relationship should behave over it. 

"Love is patient and kind;

love does not envy or boast;

it is not arrogant or rude.

It does not insist on its own way;

it is not irritable or resentful;

it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away."

- 1 Corinthians 13:4-8

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Love isn't selfishness or painful as widely advertised.

See, vague filler.

Beyond describing the ideas of being humble, the behavior they'd prefer to elicit out of their audience, it's effectively just vague enough to insist that horrendous things happening are out of 'love'. By design it's used as a pacifying phrase that, at points, contrasts the message left otherwise. 

The word 'love' is kinda fucked up in The Bible imo. 

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

- Matthew 7:6

 Proverbs 31:6 

“Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish”