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Turncoat said: 

In Psychology, the term 'Disorder' is reserved for when it actually gets in the way of their lives and their personal functionality. 

When it's not enough to do that, yet shows a behavior reminiscent of it nonetheless, it's downgraded to a 'Quirk'. It's enough to be considered a warning sign for future developments, but if that range was treated as anything more than that, it'd be excessive. 

 There are forms of ocd that do not have any associated behavior at all and you can find these conditions described in the established clinical diagnosis manuals and mental disorders. 

And in regards to Crave it was quite evident that it caused her significant mental distress. It would definetly qualify as a mental disorder. I really saw it. Maybe I am crazy but in my opinion, from how she talked about it and how her voice and emotions etc was I can see it. How she described it etc. I even wondered if she may have ocd pd but for that I would need more time to do real diagnosis. Of course, this is not a professional assessment at all, but personally, unprofessionally I have to tell you that I am about 90 percent sure she had ocd. To really say it I would have to do SCID and 3 diagnostic sessions. 

ddddddd said: 

Turncoat said: 

In Psychology, the term 'Disorder' is reserved for when it actually gets in the way of their lives and their personal functionality. 

When it's not enough to do that, yet shows a behavior reminiscent of it nonetheless, it's downgraded to a 'Quirk'. It's enough to be considered a warning sign for future developments, but if that range was treated as anything more than that, it'd be excessive. 

 There are forms of ocd that do not have any associated behavior at all and you can find these conditions described in the established clinical diagnosis manuals and mental disorders. 

Which one are you meaning in particular for Crave's case though? 

ddddddd said: 

And in regards to Crave it was quite evident that it caused her significant mental distress. It would definetly qualify as a mental disorder. I really saw it. Maybe I am crazy but in my opinion, from how she talked about it and how her voice and emotions etc was I can see it. How she described it etc. I even wondered if she may have ocd pd but for that I would need more time to do real diagnosis. Of course, this is not a professional assessment at all, but personally, unprofessionally I have to tell you that I am about 90 percent sure she had ocd. To really say it I would have to do SCID and 3 diagnostic sessions. 

It's really not nice to spread such nasty rumors about those who've left, that's more up Cavalier's alley. 

Considering she found it easy enough to walk away from them to go to college, and seems to be blossoming there quite well, I'd not call it disorderly at all. I doubt you even know about the health of her parents, she wouldn't trust you with such sensitive information. 

Turncoat said: 

ddddddd said: 

Turncoat said: 

In Psychology, the term 'Disorder' is reserved for when it actually gets in the way of their lives and their personal functionality. 

When it's not enough to do that, yet shows a behavior reminiscent of it nonetheless, it's downgraded to a 'Quirk'. It's enough to be considered a warning sign for future developments, but if that range was treated as anything more than that, it'd be excessive. 

 There are forms of ocd that do not have any associated behavior at all and you can find these conditions described in the established clinical diagnosis manuals and mental disorders. 

Which one are you meaning in particular for Crave's case though? 

 There are really only 2 types. Pure thoughts or mixed thoughts and behavior. From them the former. Maybe she had the behavior as well, how could I now? She definetly had the former at the time. 

Turncoat said: 

ddddddd said: 

And in regards to Crave it was quite evident that it caused her significant mental distress. It would definetly qualify as a mental disorder. I really saw it. Maybe I am crazy but in my opinion, from how she talked about it and how her voice and emotions etc was I can see it. How she described it etc. I even wondered if she may have ocd pd but for that I would need more time to do real diagnosis. Of course, this is not a professional assessment at all, but personally, unprofessionally I have to tell you that I am about 90 percent sure she had ocd. To really say it I would have to do SCID and 3 diagnostic sessions. 

It's really not nice to spread such nasty rumors about those who've left, that's more up Cavalier's alley. 

Considering she found it easy enough to walk away from them to go to college, and seems to be blossoming there quite well, I'd not call it disorderly at all. I doubt you even know about the health of her parents, she wouldn't trust you with such sensitive information. 

 You sure abott that? Anyways I honestly wasn't aware that this is mean or comes off as malevolent. It was not my intentions as I don't see these things as bad or a fault. Maybe I am insensitive because it is something normal to me because of my profession. Remember we are on SC and people talk openly about mental illness. Do you think it is better to delete the thread? 

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ddddddd said: 

Turncoat said: 

ddddddd said: 

And in regards to Crave it was quite evident that it caused her significant mental distress. It would definetly qualify as a mental disorder. I really saw it. Maybe I am crazy but in my opinion, from how she talked about it and how her voice and emotions etc was I can see it. How she described it etc. I even wondered if she may have ocd pd but for that I would need more time to do real diagnosis. Of course, this is not a professional assessment at all, but personally, unprofessionally I have to tell you that I am about 90 percent sure she had ocd. To really say it I would have to do SCID and 3 diagnostic sessions. 

It's really not nice to spread such nasty rumors about those who've left, that's more up Cavalier's alley. 

Considering she found it easy enough to walk away from them to go to college, and seems to be blossoming there quite well, I'd not call it disorderly at all. I doubt you even know about the health of her parents, she wouldn't trust you with such sensitive information. 

 You sure abott that?

We ran a website together and she and I still talk. 🤷

Anyways I honestly wasn't aware that this is mean or comes off as malevolent.

I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy someone starting rumors about you being a bed wetter or something. 

It was not my intentions as I don't see these things as bad or a fault. Maybe I am insensitive because it is something normal to me because of my profession. Remember we are on SC and people talk openly about mental illness.

SC allows the freedom to be rude, but it's still rude all the same. 

Do you think it is better to delete the thread? 

Don't really see why. 

ddddddd said: 

Turncoat said: 

ddddddd said: 

Turncoat said: 

In Psychology, the term 'Disorder' is reserved for when it actually gets in the way of their lives and their personal functionality. 

When it's not enough to do that, yet shows a behavior reminiscent of it nonetheless, it's downgraded to a 'Quirk'. It's enough to be considered a warning sign for future developments, but if that range was treated as anything more than that, it'd be excessive. 

 There are forms of ocd that do not have any associated behavior at all and you can find these conditions described in the established clinical diagnosis manuals and mental disorders. 

Which one are you meaning in particular for Crave's case though? 

There are really only 2 types. Pure thoughts or mixed thoughts and behavior. 

That really depends on what you're meaning by 'types', as this reads to me more as one of it's many components that add up to it's OCD end product. 

She also does not qualify for "The obsessions and compulsions cause significant impairment in social, occupational or interpersonal functioning", meaning it's not disorderly. She's been able to have friends, leave the house, go off to college, etc. Having a close relationship with your folks is far from a disorder, in fact I'd argue that it's healthy. 

From them the former. Maybe she had the behavior as well, how could I now? She definetly had the former at the time. 

I'm sure she'll have a good laugh at this topic later on. 

Maybe. I do not have a dog in this fight. I don't know her now. What I said was an experience I had some years ago. I did not lie or add or make shit up, I never do this. What could be the case is that I am deluded. I am still pretty sure she had ocd. Also I respect you and you seem very smart, but you don't get to define what ocd or a mental disorder is. If we are using clinical language then it should mean what it means. And many people with ocd do all kinds of stuff etc. Just as many people with depression have a job. Your arguments in that regard are really not grounded in anything that holds weight. 

ddddddd said: 

I am still pretty sure she had ocd.

Baselessly, as a stubborn last stand. 

Just admit you were wrong so you can move on. 

Also I respect you and you seem very smart, but you don't get to define what ocd or a mental disorder is. If we are using clinical language then it should mean what it means. 

In the Webster sense of it that's true, that's up to the DSM-V, but you're also saying something as nutty as claiming they only recognize two types when you're actually going on about it's room and style for preoccupation. This is like claiming that there's only two types of Psychopathy: High and Low functioning. 

You're using an incomplete definition, it goes further than this if you keep reading. Your bit doesn't even go on about the four or so accepted differences in expression. When you look at all the component factors together, you end up with much, much more than two types of OCD, but as a form of filtration it's useful to split it by those criteria as well as the rest. 

Also as is common in the field, you'll see expressions that they can't box in further than 'unspecified', making for an even broader range than the book encompasses. 

And many people with ocd do all kinds of stuff etc.

If she had constant and pervasive thoughts about her folks' health to the point of OCD, it'd be getting in the way of her work, especially once she's left the nest to pursue her own path. She'd likely have chosen to commute to college from her folks' home, would take longer breaks from school to caretake for them, would attempt community or online college so that she could do her education from home, etc. 

A lot of people tend to descend into more disorderly behavior around age 18 to 22 based on a sharp change in life needs, and based on her behavior I'd say she's more prone to co-dependency in general than an excessively ruminatory attachment to her family. Even there, I'd argue it's really not any worse than a quirk, within healthy common ranges that you otherwise could find out of a more typical subject. 

You are very much so underestimating what a true expression of OCD looks like. 

Just as many people with depression have a job. Your arguments in that regard are really not grounded in anything that holds weight. 

People with depression typically struggle to keep a job, occupational struggle is one of the warning signs. What DSM have you been reading? 

If it's not enough to get in the way of their life functionality, it can be listed as merely a quirk. Disorders go against the grain of Order, hence why 'quirks' like Homosexuality are no longer listed in the DSM.