Try tripping instead and get back to me on how microdosing isn’t a waste of acid.
I personally am in the conservative camp with any revelations that come from drug use, so much so that I would dismiss them as completely dellusional.
When you are taking substances that fuck with your train of thought, the very logic that said train of thought is based on loses it's certainty, therefore, through suspension of logic and critical thinking, drugs can make you come to false epiphanies, that on a sober look, are pure nonsense.
"In vīnō vēritās, in aquā sānitās"
No drug is useful in day to day activities, stop coping.jpg.
Try tripping instead and get back to me on how microdosing isn’t a waste of acid.
do you have a monopoly on lsd use?
I personally am in the conservative camp with any revelations that come from drug use, so much so that I would dismiss them as completely dellusional.
When you are taking substances that fuck with your train of thought, the very logic that said train of thought is based on loses it's certainty, therefore, through suspension of logic and critical thinking, drugs can make you come to false epiphanies, that on a sober look, are pure nonsense.
"In vīnō vēritās, in aquā sānitās"
No drug is useful in day to day activities, stop coping.jpg.
Have you ever even tried anything? You don't sound like you have.
In some instances, it can be that someone gets high and imagines an epiphany. If then, they put that thought into something solid, that's more akin to them mis-using the tool. Overall, it does not mean that the drug is at fault. A misunderstanding is likely, if not always, the fault of the person doing it.
" Have you ever even tried anything? You don't sound like you have."
I did try actually. The epiphany-like feel is part of the substance's effects, once you realise that all the pseudo bullshit mysticism just fades away, and the epiphanies themselves are just false or remotely true in a cold-reading way upon further sober inspection.
I don't think a person that has their judgement impaired by any such substances can come to any sort of deeper understanding than themselves not having that handicap. The judgement impairment on itself, can provoke some trains of thought that are not normally had by the person, though, if they're only able to think about those because of substances, they should perhaps make some efforts towards stopping the self-deception they practice rather than using some random chemicals in hopes of something to come and take their problems away.
I'm not harsh on recreational usage, on the contrary, I'm harsh on "enlightnment" based usage. Like, just admit you're doing it for fun or out of curiosity, not that hard.
" Have you ever even tried anything? You don't sound like you have."
I did try actually. The epiphany-like feel is part of the substance's effects, once you realise that all the pseudo bullshit mysticism just fades away, and the epiphanies themselves are just false or remotely true in a cold-reading way upon further sober inspection.
what did you take?
I don't think a person that has their judgement impaired by any such substances can come to any sort of deeper understanding than themselves not having that handicap. The judgement impairment on itself, can provoke some trains of thought that are not normally had by the person, though, if they're only able to think about those because of substances, they should perhaps make some efforts towards stopping the self-deception they practice rather than using some random chemicals in hopes of something to come and take their problems away.
i have for a fact benefited as i said, so my experience directly contradicts your assertion here. there have been, and continue to be studies done on the therapeutic effects of psychedelics so it's a bit strange of you to say this. especially considering you're taking the "subjectivity is not rooted in realism" stance to contradict something that has been scientifically confirmed, while using your own experience as a basis, lol
I'm not harsh on recreational usage, on the contrary, I'm harsh on "enlightnment" based usage. Like, just admit you're doing it for fun or out of curiosity, not that hard.
Why can't it be both?
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There's a distinction to be made here for sure.
My claims are way weaker than what you take them to be. I'm simply saying that insight gained while under the influence is mostly bs, and shouldn't be taken seriously. Taking the substances by itself can be beneficial for some people in some cases, sure. (the controlled conditions of those studies DO NOT APPLY WHEN YOU'RE SELF-MEDICATING, there are studies on self-medication being bad too you know). However, you can't go from that to it being enlightening and showing you the "truth" man.
There's a distinction to be made here for sure.
My claims are way weaker than what you take them to be. I'm simply saying that insight gained while under the influence is mostly bs, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
that's a very strong claim to make, though, based on what?
Taking the substances by itself can be beneficial for some people in some cases, sure. (the controlled conditions of those studies DO NOT APPLY WHEN YOU'RE SELF-MEDICATING, there are studies on self-medication being bad too you know). However, you can't go from that to it being enlightening and showing you the "truth" man.
I'm still having trouble believing you actually tried any psychedelics yourself.
that's a very strong claim to make, though, based on what?
Based on the "epiphany feeling" being an actual effect of the drugs in question, and simple reason.
What is so fundamentally wrong with "Judgments made while your judgement is impaired are not reliable"?
You can't deny that insights like those come while you are under the effect of the substances, and you can't deny the fact that substances impair your judgement.
Why do you think I'm so straight-edge?
that's a very strong claim to make, though, based on what?
Based on the "epiphany feeling" being an actual effect of the drugs in question, and simple reason.
What is so fundamentally wrong with "Judgments made while your judgement is impaired are not reliable"?
You can't deny that insights like those come while you are under the effect of the substances, and you can't deny the fact that substances impair your judgement.
Why do you think I'm so straight-edge?
your entire line of reasoning follows that of someone who has no idea what it's like to be on drugs but is trying to rationalise their way into pretending that they do