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Whorechata said:

QuietBeef said:

My mind tends to go back and forth on it, depending on emotional states and circumstance, which makes my own assessment all the more dubious.  Especially since I've noticed that typically when I strongly feel I'm a good person is when I'm indignant about someone else not being one, which is a major red flag. 

I don't understand, why is it a red flag? 

You're kidding, right? 

Whorechata said:

Idunno, i feel like it's easier for me to just accept that I'm a bad person because then I dont have to keep thinking about it, but at the same time because I am a bad person i should therefore put more effort into being good and doing good things. It's overly simplified (?) But it helps me out to be less conflictive irl, i don't think my own logic is very sound, but it's helpful to me.

This sounds like a self-judging bottling script, one where you have room to judge others over how they don't self-scrutinize and self-flagellate as much as you do. This likely compounds on itself if you don't announce the things you're doing for other people, which then has them not noticing it feel like something you could blame them for. 

This overtime would serve to distance you from those people, which in turn makes it that much easier to not treat them as people, making allowances for more arbitrary decisions and emotionally biased justifications. 

Saying you're bad in advance also makes it that much easier to act on it later, like they were warned or something. 

Turncoat said: 

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Crow chose to not answer and instead assume this is a grab for positive attention- safe

Doesn't feel like the safe option.  I could ramble about my inner conflict and no one would give a shit.  That's safe.  I think it's more interesting to talk about why you made a thread blatantly fishing to be reassured, especially when you'd call out anyone else doing the same thing in a heartbeat.  Does it actually alleviate guilt or shame for you, when people online who barely know you tell you that you're moral?

 I'd love to read about your inner conflict- unless is paragraphs without any sort of spacing.

Alright, I am actually interested in discussing this, so I'll indulge it in the hopes that you're being sincere.

It's an extremely broad question, which makes it difficult to answer. 

I think I see that..? I guess I just assumed you all have your definition of bad so that's what you would be answer it to, my idea of bad may not be your idea of bad- i guess it doesn't really make sense now that I think of it

Yeah... at this point at least three people have asked for more clear guidelines. 

Most people tend to assume they aren't bad from the entire system being relative with themselves as the baseline, figuring people are either better or worse than themselves rather than factoring themselves onto some sort of bigger picture scale. If they do think they're bad that tends to be either more of a self-directed guilt trip or an infamy edgelord cope. If they're prone to thinking they're bad, like, all the time, it'd more often than not serve to showcase insecurities rather than demonstrate some sense of growth, demonstrating how quickly they'll feel guilt over something rather than appraising some sense of mortality from their answer. 

The answer tends to show more of a reflection of how they see themselves versus their perception of what's around themselves, which is inevitably going to be projective in nature of what mechanisms are behind their mortality, rather than some big picture collectivist sense of mortality itself. Without some set of criteria outside of ourselves, like little checkboxes for traits or laws and customs that people follow, you're just asking people to state their ego in relativity to a biased perception of both events and reality. 

So to answer the question, I'd need to know what "bad" even is, as I'm mostly going off of "like" and "dislike". Do you mean if society at large would be cool with the things we do if we told it to them straight? 

 How do I go about that? Wouldn't i have to phrase it then to "are you a bad person based on what I think a bad person is?"

Do you mean if society at large would be cool with the things we do if we told it to them straight? 

Like explaining the clear reasoning why you did the thing? 

Whorechata said: 

How do I go about that? Wouldn't i have to phrase it then to "are you a bad person based on what I think a bad person is?"

You'd ideally list things that make people good or bad, then people'd weigh in on if that really makes them good or bad and where they are on your spectrum. 

Do you mean if society at large would be cool with the things we do if we told it to them straight? 

Like explaining the clear reasoning why you did the thing? 

I mean like, "good" vs "bad" in a sense of breaking laws or social mores, like taking someone's purse or sneezing in their face. 

Turncoat said: 

Whorechata said:

QuietBeef said:

My mind tends to go back and forth on it, depending on emotional states and circumstance, which makes my own assessment all the more dubious.  Especially since I've noticed that typically when I strongly feel I'm a good person is when I'm indignant about someone else not being one, which is a major red flag. 

I don't understand, why is it a red flag? 

You're kidding, right? 

 Um, no? 

Like it's not like she sees someone doing something bad and instantly thinks "they are doing thing that is bad and therefore this makes me a good person for recognizing this is bad thing!" 

There's certain recognition right? A moral trespass that someone else has committed that marks them a bad person in that situation. 

Whorechata said: 

Turncoat said: 

Whorechata said:

QuietBeef said:

My mind tends to go back and forth on it, depending on emotional states and circumstance, which makes my own assessment all the more dubious.  Especially since I've noticed that typically when I strongly feel I'm a good person is when I'm indignant about someone else not being one, which is a major red flag. 

I don't understand, why is it a red flag? 

You're kidding, right? 

 Um, no? 

Like it's not like she sees someone doing something bad and instantly thinks "they are doing thing that is bad and therefore this makes me a good person for recognizing this is bad thing!" 

There's certain recognition right? A moral trespass that someone else has committed that marks them a bad person in that situation. 

 

 A lot of horrible things were done in righteous anger. Like the holocaust, SJWs and terrorist attacks. 

Whorechata said: 

Turncoat said: 

Whorechata said:

QuietBeef said:

My mind tends to go back and forth on it, depending on emotional states and circumstance, which makes my own assessment all the more dubious.  Especially since I've noticed that typically when I strongly feel I'm a good person is when I'm indignant about someone else not being one, which is a major red flag. 

I don't understand, why is it a red flag? 

You're kidding, right? 

Um, no? 

Like it's not like she sees someone doing something bad and instantly thinks "they are doing thing that is bad and therefore this makes me a good person for recognizing this is bad thing!" 

It's more often that people will put it on themselves to do "good things", because that's what "good people" do. 

If they then see someone "reprehensible", they as "good people" are allowed as an ingroup to haze and ruin the time of the "reprehensible" individual. It's the Scientology model if you replace "bad" or "reprehensible" with the term Suppressive Person, and it teeters towards the vigilante mindset. It's inherently predatory in nature, and allowed to take form through extensive justifications. 

There's certain recognition right? A moral trespass that someone else has committed that marks them a bad person in that situation. 

That really depends on the culture around you, the company you keep. 

Most of it's relative unless it breaks something inherently "human", and even then when another is bad people tend to use relativism to tell themselves they're still good, ie "better than them". 

I think SJWs should be rounded up in fenced up area and we can shoot them from helicopters sometime. :D Anyone wanna join me

Cavalier said: 

I think SJWs should be rounded up in fenced up area and we can shoot them from helicopters sometime. :D Anyone wanna join me

Excellent example. 

Turncoat said: 

Cavalier said: 

I think SJWs should be rounded up in fenced up area and we can shoot them from helicopters sometime. :D Anyone wanna join me

Excellent example. 

 Lets not pretend you dont want to do that to terf sjws