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Or we can be both pro choice and talk about how much we agree.

AppleGenius said:

You can start if youre ok with that

Starting the debate from a reactionary position without my feeling attacked? I guess I'll try it by starting with a question. 

Seeing as you're the one arguing from a progressive view, this means your reasoning for being Pro-Choice could stem from one of many influences. For the sake of this debate, what position are you tackling Pro-Choice from? 

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The perspective of choice. Im not going to say a fetus is not a human or that killing a fetus isnt killing a person.

Why should abortion be banned legally?

AppleGenius said: 

Why should abortion be banned legally?

Speaking from a perspective of Fascism Eugenics in response against 'Modern Degeneracy', it could be said that for the sake of Humanity as a whole that it should not be in the hands of anyone except specialists within our government. Rather than argue that all life is important like a retarded slave religion follower, I will instead argue that much life is more important than others and that it can't be held up to us to decide which lives those are, but rather that it ought to be handled by eugenic specialists who have the desires of the species held as more paramount than life proliferating purely for the sake of it. 

As we see modern medicine taking off, people are finding themselves capable of living longer, but is their quality of life one-to-one with how long they're living? Not necessarily, in fact it's instead become the backbone for lobbying interests such as Big Pharmaceuticals. As life loses the luster of purpose we also see disorders being normalized, nay, we're seeing them outright endorced, fetishized, sold as a brand in stores to show off one's uniqueness in lieu of the life difficulty it was once believed to carry, the Darwinian factors that now no longer apply towards the individual in spite of how it can affect a society at large. 

Humanity at this point is a commodity, a product. While before it was purely capitalistic, the "sweat of one's brow" being the fetishism speeches of the time, we now are flooded with sensory information and free offers that otherwise steer us until we're no better than cattle. We are effectively a cash crop of the 1% who otherwise serves no other purpose in life, and as we lose a sense of purpose we see Nihilism and Insulation growing rampantly with Life Satisfaction decreasing as we recognize our position on this planet as trivial through sheer numbers. People applying to join the work force thanks to the internet and sheer oversaturation are unable to find a place for themselves, later turning towards drugs and other vices when they can't just accept their position in this world as a mundane one. 

As such, I surmise that letting breeding run rampant will destroy our planet and our people, both at a small and large scale, and that Humanity as a species rather than as the Hallmarks of individual idiocy ought to be steered harder by people who know what they're doing, rather than having people with genetic issue be pushing that onto the next generation just so that they can enjoy their own lives selfishly. 

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Actually let me go more into details. Im going to argue that if a person accepts that a mother can choose not to donate organs to their born child to save their lives, it seemingly follows that a woman can choose not to donate their uterus to an unborn child, irrespective of whether we treat an unborn child as a human or not.

e: oh just saw your message

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Turncoat said: 

AppleGenius said: 

Why should abortion be banned legally?

Speaking from a perspective of Fascism Eugenics in response against 'Modern Degeneracy', it could be said that for the sake of Humanity as a whole that it should not be in the hands of anyone except specialists within our government. Rather than argue that all life is important like a retarded slave religion follower, I will instead argue that much life is more important than others and that it can't be held up to us to decide which lives those are, but rather that it ought to be handled by eugenic specialists who have the desires of the species held as more paramount than life proliferating purely for the sake of it. 

As we see modern medicine taking off, people are finding themselves capable of living longer, but is their quality of life one-to-one with how long they're living? Not necessarily, in fact it's instead become the backbone for lobbying interests such as Big Pharmaceuticals. As life loses the luster of purpose we also see disorders being normalized, nay, we're seeing them outright endorced, fetishized, sold as a brand in stores to show off one's uniqueness in lieu of the life difficulty it was once believed to carry, the Darwinian factors that now no longer apply towards the individual in spite of how it can affect a society at large. 

Humanity at this point is a commodity, a product. While before it was purely capitalistic, the "sweat of one's brow" being the fetishism speeches of the time, we now are flooded with sensory information and free offers that otherwise steer us until we're no better than cattle. We are effectively a cash crop of the 1% who otherwise serves no other purpose in life, and as we lose a sense of purpose we see Nihilism and Insulation growing rampantly with Life Satisfaction decreasing as we recognize our position on this planet as trivial through sheer numbers. People applying to join the work force thanks to the internet and sheer oversaturation are unable to find a place for themselves, later turning towards drugs and other vices when they can't just accept their position in this world as a mundane one. 

As such, I surmise that letting breeding run rampant will destroy our planet and our people, both at a small and large scale, and that Humanity as a species rather than as the Hallmarks of individual idiocy ought to be steered harder by people who know what they're doing, rather than having people with genetic issue be pushing that onto the next generation just so that they can enjoy their own lives selfishly. 

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Well stated, compelling and thought provoking, even tho I disagree.

Turncoat said: 

Speaking from a perspective of Fascism Eugenics in response against 'Modern Degeneracy', it could be said that for the sake of Humanity as a whole that it should not be in the hands of anyone except specialists within our government. Rather than argue that all life is important like a retarded slave religion follower, I will instead argue that much life is more important than others and that it can't be held up to us to decide which lives those are, but rather that it ought to be handled by eugenic specialists who have the desires of the species held as more paramount than life proliferating purely for the sake of it. 

As we see modern medicine taking off, people are finding themselves capable of living longer, but is their quality of life one-to-one with how long they're living? Not necessarily, in fact it's instead become the backbone for lobbying interests such as Big Pharmaceuticals. As life loses the luster of purpose we also see disorders being normalized, nay, we're seeing them outright endorced, fetishized, sold as a brand in stores to show off one's uniqueness in lieu of the life difficulty it was once believed to carry, the Darwinian factors that now no longer apply towards the individual in spite of how it can affect a society at large. 

Humanity at this point is a commodity, a product. While before it was purely capitalistic, the "sweat of one's brow" being the fetishism speeches of the time, we now are flooded with sensory information and free offers that otherwise steer us until we're no better than cattle. We are effectively a cash crop of the 1% who otherwise serves no other purpose in life, and as we lose a sense of purpose we see Nihilism and Insulation growing rampantly with Life Satisfaction decreasing as we recognize our position on this planet as trivial through sheer numbers. People applying to join the work force thanks to the internet and sheer oversaturation are unable to find a place for themselves, later turning towards drugs and other vices when they can't just accept their position in this world as a mundane one. 

Wow, I never knew you had such horrible views Turncoat.

As such, I surmise that letting breeding run rampant will destroy our planet and our people, both at a small and large scale, and that Humanity as a species rather than as the Hallmarks of individual idiocy ought to be steered harder by people who know what they're doing, rather than having people with genetic issue be pushing that onto the next generation just so that they can enjoy their own lives selfishly.

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If you don't want breeding to run rampant, then aren't you pro-choice? I mean if people can have the option to abort making babies, then aren't we getting less breeding?