However, I haven't seen much evidence of the robustness of that system you mentioned unless there's some metric to quantify that robustness. At least in science, we BS our way through with similar post-hoc rationalization when something in our papers get debunked `oh but it doesn't change our conclusions, so it's fine.`
Here's a good thread that debunks some common voter fraud claims.
lol
Not to start another 1-year debate, but you're doing the same thing I asked you to stop doing previously.
I mean, I appreciate the debunk thread, but you make claims A and B, I contest A, and you defend B, come up with a new claim C, and defend that too.
Read what I said.
I think I responded to it by stating we can't really "prove" the robustness, we can only infer it by looking at the ways different issues and problems with the voting process are meant to be handled. That's not post-hoc rationalization; it's a deliberately set up system to ensure a non-fraudulent election. Or do you have a different metric in mind?
Okay, in that case you haven't really established it's a robust system, if you have no way to quantify that it is one.
I mean, one way would be to have intentional small-scale fabrications inserted into the data that do not show up in the official reporting and do a blind analysis. If those are not caught, then probably it's a shitty check. Essentially, quantify the false alarm.
You might be able to do something similar with just the rate of fabrications people spot without knowing the underlying distribution, but that'd be less certain.
Technically, those unofficial values should already have been checked against the electoral votes. That's not to say that there are no additional checks. However, whatever other checks they have done failed up to the point that these get reported at a state level (with the caveat that these are not the final, official results)-- if I've understood correctly.
Perhaps so. However, that they would incorrectly count the votes at any stage of the process and report them (unofficially or otherwise) doesn't exactly increase people's faith in the electoral system.
True, but if people took the time to actually check out the story behind fails or irregularities they'd find there is a robust system in place to handle them.
The more complicated the system, the more naturally it lends to gatekeeping the common man. The less people who understand a system, the easier it is for those who do to exploit it. This is the "Bigger Better Mousetrap" problem in that as the system adapts so too will it's people.
People will find ways to bend rules and abuse the system, and the more complicated the system is the harder it is to call them on it, akin to being alive in a less literate time period while trusting your local pastor's passages about Biblical matters (to the point of Crusades even). In this case however, instead of being confusing like Holy passages are bound to be, it's closer to iTunes fine print shenanigans that most people don't has the patience to read on the daily.
A lot of the complaints about the modern system is a lack of transparency, and quite honestly it'd be easy to rig this stuff if you have enough financial backing. Big business has been running cheat codes on this for a while, why would they stop now?
You think the country needs a return to traditional Christian values?
That probably beats nihilistic materialism.
I agree anything could be better than this in some sense but I don't think we can return to 'traditional Christian values'.
I don't even know what the phrase means when people utter it, plus we must remember that with nihilistic materialism comes the ultimate potential where one can forge their own identity in a organic way - the power of this cannot be overstated.
Of course forging a new identity and values as a possibility is debatable, I'm not convinced we can do it.
You think the country needs a return to traditional Christian values?
That probably beats nihilistic materialism.
I agree anything could be better than this in some sense but I don't think we can return to 'traditional Christian values'.
I actually think things are going pretty well, considering this is a transitional point as opposed to a direct highlight.
I don't even know what the phrase means when people utter it, plus we must remember that with nihilistic materialism comes the ultimate potential where one can forge their own identity in a organic way - the power of this cannot be overstated.
I think I'm a fan of Nihilistic Materialism, just not to the point of Hedonism, and I'd argue we aren't far enough into it yet and could afford to go further.
Their claims of it being "Nihilism" are purely over the loss of traditional masculinity, over the biological imperative losing it's necessity as women become seen as the gatekeepers of pleasure towards a bunch of traditionalist fuckwits who think everything wrong with their lives is "Society", and that they'd be some great warrior if the world were either apocalyptic or historical.
The only time Nihilism ceases is when we're thrown into an environment where we don't have the time or placement to overthink our predicament.
Of course forging a new identity and values as a possibility is debatable, I'm not convinced we can do it.
I think we are, and people are already showing heavy-handed signs of witnessing the shifts.
The right is freaking out this much because they're being phased out.
You think the country needs a return to traditional Christian values?
That probably beats nihilistic materialism.
Not for women...
The more complicated the system, the more naturally it lends to gatekeeping the common man. The less people who understand a system, the easier it is for those who do to exploit it. This is the "Bigger Better Mousetrap" problem in that as the system adapts so too will it's people.
People will find ways to bend rules and abuse the system, and the more complicated the system is the harder it is to call them on it, akin to being alive in a less literate time period while trusting your local pastor's passages about Biblical matters (to the point of Crusades even). In this case however, instead of being confusing like Holy passages are bound to be, it's closer to iTunes fine print shenanigans that most people don't has the patience to read on the daily.
A lot of the complaints about the modern system is a lack of transparency, and quite honestly it'd be easy to rig this stuff if you have enough financial backing. Big business has been running cheat codes on this for a while, why would they stop now?
Indeed. It's a civic responsibility to watch and criticize (where necessary) the various stages of the democratic process. There are those who simply assume it works and close their eyes. However, in the long term, if the system was rigged, those assumptions would give power to corruption.
You think the country needs a return to traditional Christian values?
That probably beats nihilistic materialism.
I agree anything could be better than this in some sense but I don't think we can return to 'traditional Christian values'.
I actually think things are going pretty well, considering this is a transitional point as opposed to a direct highlight.
I'm not so sure, on a multitude of metrics we certainly can say that's true but simultaneously through our success we've become more and more a danger to ourselves.
I agree this is a transitional phase but I cannot say more than that as the nature of this stage is to be filled with illusionary forms as we attempt to create stable new ones.
I don't even know what the phrase means when people utter it, plus we must remember that with nihilistic materialism comes the ultimate potential where one can forge their own identity in a organic way - the power of this cannot be overstated.
I think I'm a fan of Nihilistic Materialism, just not to the point of Hedonism, and I'd argue we aren't far enough into it yet and could afford to go further.
I think we will go further as to how much I am not sure.
I am seeing hints of its ending but at the same time it feels like we will die with it.
Their claims of it being "Nihilism" are purely over the loss of traditional masculinity, over the biological imperative losing it's necessity as women become seen as the gatekeepers of pleasure towards a bunch of traditionalist fuckwits who think everything wrong with their lives is "Society", and that they'd be some great warrior if the world were either apocalyptic or historical.
I agree with this and the statement you make below pertaining to individuals being angry over being pahsed out.
There is no stopping this change and as such trying to is a waste of time.
To grip on to the paste in the way many our is to embrace weakness as what they are attempting to hold on and bring back has already has its potentiality exhausted through actualization. You cannot organize these dead signifiers back into those old forms and hope for them to hold the same weight, they never will.
The only time Nihilism ceases is when we're thrown into an environment where we don't have the time or placement to overthink our predicament.
I will have to think about this, I am not so sure about the relation between stability and nihilism.
Of course forging a new identity and values as a possibility is debatable, I'm not convinced we can do it.
I think we are, and people are already showing heavy-handed signs of witnessing the shifts.
The right is freaking out this much because they're being phased out.
I am starting to see signs as well but I'm still not ultimately convinced as it remine me of what occurred in the 20th century with the rise of ideology and new age occultism which imo failed.
You think the country needs a return to traditional Christian values?
That probably beats nihilistic materialism.
Not for women...
didi you watch this video I posted?
yes, styx leans right not left, we do not agree on all things but he is a smart man, who just happens to love capitolism, not a surprise while he chooses to live in the land of the free.
But he is also super eco friendly and has been open about his more "leftist" views, including those involving female empowerment.
I'm not an american and I don't spend all my time devoted to following their politics but from the few channels I do watch, styx is the one I would recommend you check out the most. He also makes garden update videos it's very cute.
Anyway there is a treasure trove of videos on his channel if you care to fact check me, or just check him out, I'm a little bored of the subject now. and honestly I'm not american, even if they affect aus, my goal is to get the hell out of dodge and create a selfsustaining lifestyle so meh. I enjoy society for it's benefits and hate it for everything else. but I'm misanthropic and not particularly generative tbh.
You think the country needs a return to traditional Christian values?
That probably beats nihilistic materialism.
Not for women...
didi you watch this video I posted?
yes, styx leans right not left, we do not agree on all things but he is a smart man, who just happens to love capitolism, not a surprise while he chooses to live in the land of the free.
But he is also super eco friendly and has been open about his more "leftist" views, including those involving female empowerment.
I'm not an american and I don't spend all my time devoted to following their politics but from the few channels I do watch, styx is the one I would recommend you check out the most. He also makes garden update videos it's very cute.
Anyway there is a treasure trove of videos on his channel if you care to fact check me, or just check him out, I'm a little bored of the subject now. and honestly I'm not american, even if they affect aus, my goal is to get the hell out of dodge and create a selfsustaining lifestyle so meh. I enjoy society for it's benefits and hate it for everything else. but I'm misanthropic and not particularly generative tbh.
I enjoy his gardening videos.
