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Trump supposedly ordered a retaliatory attack but then called it off while the planes were in the air. How likely is it that this escalates to actual conflict, do you think?

Also gotta love both the Allahu Akbar cries and the choice of adding an epic soundtrack to the video, feels very professional lol.

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I think Trump made the correct decision. Iran must be feeling some pressure to retaliate by destroying drones and oil tankers. If Iran kills Americans you can count on conflict at 100% likely.

The US should back out and let the locals take over. I do not support wasting our tax money on Iran. Let someone else spend their money.

Im not sure you can really stop hostile oppressive foreign governments from getting nuclear technology. You might be able to delay it. Really the change needs to come from within the country. Social change. Enabling social change.

The problems comes about when governments are oppressive to its people that actually want change. Basically a bully tyrant government. "Under Iranian law, many nonviolent crimes, such as “insulting the Prophet,” apostasy, same-sex relations, adultery, and drug-related offenses, are punishable by death."

Force revolution!

 

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That drone deserves vengeance, it was an AMERICAN!

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this is my assesment on afghanistan/iran because these two things are interlinked

a bit of backstory, the US has been getting beat in afghanistan, after 20 years and one trillion dollars they have only managed to occupy 38% of afghanistan, 15% is controlled by the taliban and the rest is still contested, things got so bad that they refused to give out data on afghanistan since april because all it showed was that the afghan resistance gained more and more ground

 

the US does not want to leave afghanistan, for it is the most important geostrategic location on earth, russia is not too far away, china is near, pakistan, india two nuclear nations, iran is right on the border, and afghanistan provides a gateway to the middle east, this is why the soviets had such a vested interest in afghanistan, so that they could use it to advance into the mid east, this is also why in the 19th and early 20th centuries the british and russians contested for control in afghanistan, but both of their invasions had failed

now as the war is being lost and making no gains, the invasion of iran would create the perfect turmoil which would justify american direct involvement in a nation that is directly hostile towards them, also opening the floodgates for more troops, they can justify involvement in afghanistan as well by saying "it's hitting two birds with one stone"

 

this is just the gist of it, it appears to me that trump does not war and it is actually the military industrial complex or the "establishment" of the US that would like to go to war which is why you might be seeing not very coherent decisions being made as a result of this power struggle between trump and the establishment

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It depends who wins. 

Sadly escalating to a full blown conflict makes a lot of strategic sense.

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It seems the people of Iran clamor for a democratic revolution 

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Kestrel said: 

It seems the people of Iran clamor for a democratic revolution 

 what are you basing this off on?

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TPG said: 
Kestrel said: 

It seems the people of Iran clamor for a democratic revolution 

 what are you basing this off on?

 Manifest Destiny

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last edit on 6/22/2019 8:55:38 AM
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They definitely are (and have been for decades now). Most of the people who were really invested in rebellion ended left the country after the 1970 revolution but a lot of their family stayed behind. The passion has died down but it is still smoldering and the youth are pissed off with how those families were seperated.

There have been a lot of riots as well, after the sanctions issued by the US. It did a major dent to their country.

I think Iranian and American relations are some of the most interesting in history. The US with the British were the ones who introduced the nuclear project into their country and now Ironically we do not want them to have it. We also overthrew their first democratically elected leader, Mosadegh through the efforts of Kermit Roosevelet Jr. (One of the forgotten elite of the US who's father shot himself in the head).

Back in the 70's kissenger, signed the worlds most expensive arms agreement with the Iranian Shah. This deal was 20 billion in total and is what gave them the F 14's, some of the deadliest aircraft ever invented. The US actually destroyed all of their F 14's in fear that they would be used by the enemy.

Iranian and US relations exhibit the chaos of human civilization we were born from. War may be the ultimate answer but it will only be out of bottled up emotions and failure.

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enutsur said: 

They definitely are (and have been for decades now). Most of the people who were really invested in rebellion ended left the country after the 1970 revolution but a lot of their family stayed behind. The passion has died down but it is still smoldering and the youth are pissed off with how those families were seperated.

There have been a lot of riots as well, after the sanctions issued by the US. It did a major dent to their country.

I think Iranian and American relations are some of the most interesting in history. The US with the British were the ones who introduced the nuclear project into their country and now Ironically we do not want them to have it. We also overthrew their first democratically elected leader, Mosadegh through the efforts of Kermit Roosevelet Jr. (One of the forgotten elite of the US who's father shot himself in the head).

Back in the 70's kissenger, signed the worlds most expensive arms agreement with the Iranian Shah. This deal was 20 billion in total and is what gave them the F 14's, some of the deadliest aircraft ever invented. The US actually destroyed all of their F 14's in fear that they would be used by the enemy.

Iranian and US relations exhibit the chaos of human civilization we were born from. War may be the ultimate answer but it will only be out of bottled up emotions and failure.

do the majority of iranians feel this way?

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