>be astronaut
>go to venus
>fart
>3 million year later methane based life forms
>mfw
omfg lol Xad wants to fart on Venus to see if he can make smthg grow.
Now I've seen every shade of weird and cringey.
Is this Xad's new god complex or smthg?
Didn't the Russian's try to send equipment to Venus decades ago and the atmosphere was so acrid it destroyed everything beyond use?\
Yeah. Btw, they hypothesize that life formed earlier, when apparently Venus had oceans and was more hospitable. A part of molecules migrated upwards into the atmosphere (much like it has on Earth), the environment down below became inhospitable, everything died, but life survived in the atmospheres. That's the hypothesis, at least.
`There is a long-standing theory that some of the smallest forms of life might have been able to evolve upwards into the high clouds. Conditions there are certainly not nice, they're extremely acidic and it's very windy, but on the other hand, if you're talking about 50 to 60 kilometers up, then the pressure is much like it is on the surface of the Earth and the temperature's quite nice, maybe up to about 85 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's been hypothesized that this is a living habitat today.`
The acidicity is also apparently what destroys phosphine. So whatever phosphine is there is being regenerated. The only known explanation is microbial organisms, at least for now.
That's optimistic bullshit.
Venus is inhospitable bc of its proximity to the sun.
It rotates and revolves with a force exponentially greater than any hurricane we've seen on earth, and has horrifically hot temperatures. The upper atmosphere is not 'quite nice' bc it's whipping around with shredding force winds. I highly doubt that even microbial lifeforms can survive that.
The ancient scholar(s) who concocted all those biblical notions of hell was probably informed by an alien who had travelled near Venus :P
So even if the chemicals in the atmosphere were not always there, life on Venus was never possible bc of the extreme climate.
But back to my pet "Children of Space Dust and Time" hypothesis :D
It's quite possible that fragments of a similar comet/meteor to the one that may have crashed into earth and caused the Primordeal Ooze here to stand up and say "howdy" also collided with Venus at some point. I mean, 14 billion years is a long time for umpteen comets to whip around and crash into planets throughout the galaxy.
Over 13 000 flying space rocks pass close enough to Earth to crash every year. If there is to be an Apocalypse that annihilates humanity, I think it will be similar to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. And some American oil guy played by Bruce Willis won't be able to save us :P
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Didn't the Russian's try to send equipment to Venus decades ago and the atmosphere was so acrid it destroyed everything beyond use?\
Yeah. Btw, they hypothesize that life formed earlier, when apparently Venus had oceans and was more hospitable. A part of molecules migrated upwards into the atmosphere (much like it has on Earth), the environment down below became inhospitable, everything died, but life survived in the atmospheres. That's the hypothesis, at least.
`There is a long-standing theory that some of the smallest forms of life might have been able to evolve upwards into the high clouds. Conditions there are certainly not nice, they're extremely acidic and it's very windy, but on the other hand, if you're talking about 50 to 60 kilometers up, then the pressure is much like it is on the surface of the Earth and the temperature's quite nice, maybe up to about 85 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's been hypothesized that this is a living habitat today.`
The acidicity is also apparently what destroys phosphine. So whatever phosphine is there is being regenerated. The only known explanation is microbial organisms, at least for now.
That's optimistic bullshit.
Venus is inhospitable bc of its proximity to the sun.
It rotates and revolves with a force exponentially greater than any hurricane we've seen on earth, and has horrifically hot temperatures.
The ancient scholar(s) who concocted all those biblical notions of hell was probably informed by an alien who had travelled near Venus :P
So even if the chemicals in the atmosphere were not always there, life on Venus was never possible bc of the extreme climate.
But back to my pet "Children of Space Dust and Time" hypothesis :D
It's quite possible that fragments of a similar comet/meteor to the one that may have crashed into earth and caused the Primordeal Ooze here to stand up and say "howdy" also collided with Venus at some point. I mean, 14 billion years is a long time for umpteen comets to whip around and crash into planets throughout the galaxy.
Over 13 000 flying space rocks pass close enough to Earth to crash every year. If there is to be an Apocalypse that annihilates humanity, I think it will be similar to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. And some American oil guy played by Bruce Willis won't be able to save us :P
What if it's played by nicholas cage?
That's optimistic bullshit.
The scientific collaboration that published those results are essentially claiming that there is phosphine on Venus, and the only current scientific explanation is that it originates from life. They're not claiming that this is definitive evidence of life, but only that there is nothing else that explains the anomaly as of now, despite an exhaustive study that attempted to prove otherwise.
Venus is inhospitable bc of its proximity to the sun.
It rotates and revolves with a force exponentially greater than any hurricane we've seen on earth, and has horrifically hot temperatures.
The hypothesis is that the life exists in the upper atmosphere, where the temperatures are up to about 85 degrees Fahrenheit and the pressure is manageable. 85 Fahrenheit isn't that bad.
This is a scientific collaboration, not a crackpot paper, with a lengthy article trying (and failing) to explain the phosphine by every other plausibly chemical non-life origin. They understand the atmosphere on Venus in much more detail than you do. Nevertheless, they are not ruling out some unknown chemical processes, because, well, we wouldn't know about them because they're unknown. Instead, the proposal is to send probes to Venus to investigate further. To be clear, they are not claiming that this is definitive evidence of life, but something that needs to be verified further.
We'll see if the idea sticks. I still am not convinced, but I find it interesting because these are legit top scientists who did their homework.
So even if the chemicals in the atmosphere were not always there, life on Venus was never possible bc of the extreme climate.
I look forward to your paper debunking their Nature paper + whatever monster review they submitted with it then. They got quite a bit of press, so this is your chance to be famous.
It's quite possible that fragments of a similar comet/meteor to the one that may have crashed into earth and caused the Primordeal Ooze here to stand up and say "howdy" also collided with Venus at some point. I mean, 14 billion years is a long time for umpteen comets to whip around and crash into planets throughout the galaxy.
Over 13 000 flying space rocks pass close enough to Earth to crash every year. If there is to be an Apocalypse that annihilates humanity, I think it will be similar to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. And some American oil guy played by Bruce Willis won't be able to save us :P
Cool story.
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lol he's even worse. I can't stand him.
He can sort of act, but his rich producer daddy encouraged him to take roles that were all wrong for him.
If he hadn't triedta do so many Brad Pitt roles and was happy doing character roles, I might not hate his face so much xP
Like... an angel that 1998 super cute and super doctoring humanitarian Meg Ryan loved enough to crash into a truck and die over? SRSLY?
I could see myself being that stupid if if I saw Chris Hemsworth fall out of the sky. But fuck Nicholas Cage. Dude is too ugly for all those leading man roles
He's even ugly when he's a cat xP
That's optimistic bullshit.
The scientific collaboration that published those results are essentially claiming that there is phosphine on Venus, and the only current scientific explanation is that it originates from life. They're not claiming that this is definitive evidence of life, but only that there is nothing else that explains the anomaly as of now, despite an exhaustive study that attempted to prove otherwise.
Venus is inhospitable bc of its proximity to the sun.
It rotates and revolves with a force exponentially greater than any hurricane we've seen on earth, and has horrifically hot temperatures.
The hypothesis is that the life exists in the upper atmosphere, where the temperatures are up to about 85 degrees Fahrenheit and the pressure is manageable.
This is a scientific collaboration, not a crackpot paper, with a lengthy article trying to explain the phosphine by every other plausibly chemical non-life origin. They understand the atmosphere on Venus in much more detail than you do. Nevertheless, they are not ruling out some unknown chemical processes, because, well, we wouldn't know about them because they're unknown. Instead, the proposal is to send probes to Venus to investigate further. To be clear, they are not claiming that this is definitive evidence of life, but something that needs to be verified further.
We'll see if the idea sticks. I still am not convinced, but I find it interesting because these are legit top scientists.
You missed my edit where I stated that I doubt even microbial life can survive the shredding force winds caused by Venus' fast rotation and revolution, even if the temperature is 'nice.' (I hope that was 85*F, not celsius lol 85*C is close to what doctors use to sterilize metal, is it not?)
So even if the chemicals in the atmosphere were not always there, life on Venus was never possible bc of the extreme climate.
I look forward to your paper debunking their Nature paper + whatever monster review they submitted with it then. They got quite a bit of press, so this is your chance to be famous.
It's quite possible that fragments of a similar comet/meteor to the one that may have crashed into earth and caused the Primordeal Ooze here to stand up and say "howdy" also collided with Venus at some point. I mean, 14 billion years is a long time for umpteen comets to whip around and crash into planets throughout the galaxy.
Over 13 000 flying space rocks pass close enough to Earth to crash every year. If there is to be an Apocalypse that annihilates humanity, I think it will be similar to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. And some American oil guy played by Bruce Willis won't be able to save us :P
Cool story.
Hehe. I've been looking into going back to school to finish the other half of my anthro and archaeology degree.
Maybe I will write that paper :D
And that "cool story" about 13 000 comets/meteors (space rocks) that come close to the earth every year came from a documentary that aired in 1998 about the Big One that crashed into Jupiter, if you want a specific source. But in the field I once aspired to, it's a given, with no need to source the original geological facts that centuries of research are based on.
It's also provable that comets travel huge distances every century or so, and many are made up of dirt and rock.
Hunks of space rock have been found recently with fossilized bacteria on them.
Therefore, there is life as we know it elsewhere in the galaxy, and some of those microbes have made their way here. Fossilized and long dead, but they are here, nonetheless.
The part of the "Children of Space Dust and Time" hypothesis that is speculation is the part where the comet/space rock seeded our planet with the building blocks of life that grew into everything we know, now.
Hence my light hearted jokey tone and intentional misspellings if you were going to nag about those next xP
And fuck you if you're not the Jean Luc Picard fan that I am :P
You missed my edit where I stated that I doubt even microbial life can survive the shredding force winds caused by Venus' fast rotation and revolution, even if the temperature is 'nice.' (I hope that was 85*F, not celsius lol 85*C is close to what doctors use to sterilize metal, is it not?)
I'm sure it is :p
Don't you think it's plausible that they took that into account, though, having studied related topics for their whole adult lives?
Hehe. I've been looking into going back to school to finish the other half of my anthro and archaeology degree.
Maybe I will write that paper :D
Looking forward to it.
And that "cool story" about 13 000 comets/meteors (space rocks) that come close to the earth every year came from a documentary that aired in 1998 about the Big One that crashed into Jupiter, if you want a specific source. But in the field I once aspired to, it's a given, with no need to source the original geological facts that centuries of research are based on.
It's also provable that comets travel huge distances every century or so, and many are made up of dirt and rock.
Hunks of space rock have been found recently with fossilized bacteria on them.
Therefore, there is life as we know it elsewhere in the galaxy, and some of those microbes have made their way here. Fossilized and long dead, but they are here, nonetheless.
The part of the "Children of Space Dust and Time" hypothesis that is speculation is the part where the comet/space rock seeded our planet with the building blocks of life that grew into everything we know, now.
Hence my light hearted jokey tone and intentional misspellings if you were going to nag about those next xP
And fuck you if you're not the Jean Luc Picard fan that I am :P
Oh I think it's a cool hypothesis, I do not know of any good evidence to back it up though (but maybe there is some). It is pretty cool if there's fossilized bacteria on meteorites, though. Recent meteorites?
I'm def. Jean Luc Picard fan. I admire his haircut, and I have been telling my wife that I want to cut my hair like his.
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https://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Bacterial_Fossils_in_Meteorites
It was a hot topic back in the 90s.
Scientists have also discovered a planet that may support everything we know and love here at home. Early telescope images indicate a strong possibility that there are large bodies of liquid that look a lot like water on the surface.
The research is only a year or two (?) old, so it may yet be debunked. But dammit we need a new planet if we kill this one. I truly hope that one is habitable, and that humanity can get there someday if we (they... bc Earth will survive longer than I will, even in the toxic state she's in rn) have to evacuate this planet.
I'm hopeful about that planet.
The only thing that dashes that hope a bit is the size of the planet. It's more than twice the size of earth, so the gravitational pull might make things a bit awkward for us. Then again, I'm not a physicist. I can't remember off the top of my head if weaker or stronger gravity happens bc of other factors besides the size of the planet.
I’ve read this whole thread and I’m going to be petty for a minute while still trying to be succinct.
Who’s to say that something alive hadn’t made it into the atmosphere, or perhaps even some space junk/ space pollution that wound up getting destroyed by the atmosphere’s heat and velocity, resulting in the ultimate creation of the gas they’re so excited about?
I don’t study atmospheres, so I don’t know if that even makes sense.
But what I do know is, movement, and heat, are wonderful proprietors in the creation of life, and are key catalysts in every single theoretical model on how primordial life began on Earth.
So, the atmosphere actually could be conducive to forming other molecules from, other molecules. Gas is often strictly a by product of change in chemical state of a molecular structure. So it makes sense that something was put into this shredding vortex, ripped apart the molecules and in then in combination with xyz molecules already on the planet, it resulted in this gas.
So it doesn’t really make sense to me that this scientist is sitting here scratching their head, saying this gas is impossible, and yet, we don’t even know all the chemical compounds present on the planet in the first place (or even how they got there lol)
Meteors are a convenient scape goat, but you have to remember that these rocks have been considered not fit to sustain life due to their very extreme conditions, and the speed which they travel (30,000mph) There is always the microbe that doesn’t require oxygen or sunlight and consumes only rock material. But, they’d need to be able to withstand extreme temperatures... (1,648 degrees Celsius) lol
https://boingboing.net/2018/04/25/terrifically-chaotic-gif-of-a.html
this is what the surface of a comet looks like in space
for life on earth there is the meteor theory, but it’s more about the collision of heat, that the meteor created in the RNA of the clay on earth at that time, or the molecular structures in primordial stew. That perhaps created the “god protein” which is literally not, possible to recreate or reengineer with human means and the most advanced technology. But the potential for life to be on the meteor itself is, kinda, wild but. I mean. Space is wild so. *shrugs*
The other two largest standing theories is the deep vent theory, which came from these super hot heat vents deep in the fucking ocean, and the red clay theory, which goes on about the RNA in clay a bit more.
