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Alien life on Venus, no shitting


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https://news.mit.edu/2020/life-venus-phosphine-0914

Now we just need to shoot a couple of drones up in the sky and investigate Venus' atmosphere on-site to discover flying bacteria.

They found phosphine gas in Venus' atmosphere. Why's that interesting?

Here's a quote:

`MIT scientists have previously shown that if this stinky, poisonous gas were ever detected on a rocky, terrestrial planet, it could only be produced by a living organism there

The MIT team followed up the new observation with an exhaustive analysis to see whether anything other than life could have produced phosphine in Venus’ harsh, sulfuric environment. Based on the many scenarios they considered, the team concludes that there is no explanation for the phosphine detected in Venus’ clouds, other than the presence of life.`

Well, MIT and other scientists. There's some self-promotion there.

Since it's such a grand claim, they've been careful not to state that this is definitive evidence of life on Venus.

However, I think it's really cool because a) It's not a claim by crackpot people, but top scientists from several universities cross-verifying each other, and b) it's actual indirect evidence as opposed to nauseating philosophy-speculation polluting all of science these days. There's still the possibility that there's something completely new that we don't understand, which wouldn't imply life, but no current explanation besides life there can explain the data as of now.

There are several crackpot and speculative claims out there, but this one is apparently legit. They're proposing to follow up with more research to send probes there to directly verify the claim, and measure living organisms, or some shit like that. I still don't believe it until we've seen a flying dinosaur there or something. I don't believe the prior probability is large enough to make any definitive conclusion. So right now it's a cliffhanger. Or maybe some other group will come up with another explanation in a follow-up study. This came out just now.

Sorry I couldn't find Alice's wonderful science topic. So I created this one instead of posting there.

last edit on 9/14/2020 6:08:23 PM
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>be astronaut

>go to venus

>fart

>3 million year later methane based life forms

>mfw

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Just in case people don't understand why finding bacteria on Venus would be cool:

1. It would be direct proof of aliens

2. If we can find aliens so nearby, it would mean there's an abundance of aliens out there outside of our pathetic solar system, probably many more developed than us

3. It means the Fermi paradox is probably a real thing and we will all die due to some great filter that is waiting for us, since we haven't seen any intelligent life so far. So likely either intelligent life doesn't exist in our near-vicinity (which would seemingly be disfavored by this claim) or they've all died out before reaching sufficient technology to communicate with us. So we will die out before we reach sufficient technology to communicate with other aliens.

The third one's a bit more speculative.

last edit on 9/14/2020 6:17:29 PM
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Didn't the Russian's try to send equipment to Venus decades ago and the atmosphere was so acrid it destroyed everything beyond use?

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Honey said: 

Didn't the Russian's try to send equipment to Venus decades ago and the atmosphere was so acrid it destroyed everything beyond use?\

Yeah. Btw, they hypothesize that life formed earlier, when apparently Venus had oceans and was more hospitable. A part of molecules migrated upwards into the atmosphere (much like it has on Earth), the environment down below became inhospitable, everything died, but life survived in the atmospheres. That's the hypothesis, at least.

`There is a long-standing theory that some of the smallest forms of life might have been able to evolve upwards into the high clouds. Conditions there are certainly not nice, they're extremely acidic and it's very windy, but on the other hand, if you're talking about 50 to 60 kilometers up, then the pressure is much like it is on the surface of the Earth and the temperature's quite nice, maybe up to about 85 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's been hypothesized that this is a living habitat today.`

The acidicity is also apparently what destroys phosphine. So whatever phosphine is there is being regenerated. The only known explanation is microbial organisms, at least for now.

last edit on 9/14/2020 11:30:29 PM
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Legga said: 

The acidicity is also apparently what destroys phosphine. So whatever phosphine is there is being regenerated.

 I did not know that, I really hope it is alien life and not some chemical process we haven't figured out yet. There's also the possibility that the measurements have been wrong interpreted because of their complexity so it might even be false alarm, like Bill Clinton announcing life on Mars in 96 and in 2014 we supposedly detected gravitational waves from the big bang itself and that turned out to be bs too

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I honestly doubt it don’t you. If fucking aliens exist on Venus then fuck me brother we would already be in contact just out of desperation to fix this shit fuck of a human race.

 

 

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I honestly doubt it don’t you. If fucking aliens exist on Venus then fuck me brother we would already be in contact just out of desperation to fix this shit fuck of a human race.

Alien != Sentient Mammals. 

Even something as basic as bestowing our lizards sentience would be a mind fuck to empathize with. 

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Xadem said: 

 I did not know that, I really hope it is alien life and not some chemical process we haven't figured out yet. There's also the possibility that the measurements have been wrong interpreted because of their complexity so it might even be false alarm, like Bill Clinton announcing life on Mars in 96 and in 2014 we supposedly detected gravitational waves from the big bang itself and that turned out to be bs too

we tend to sell the bear's fur before shooting it from time to time

Yeah I hope so too. The scientists that made the claim did stress that it doesn't necessarily imply life on Venus, just that there are no other plausible explanation that they can think of. We'll see if the claim sticks. The final verification would come once they send off some drones to scour the atmosphere.

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I can't wait to rape venus life forms
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