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Let's pretend for a second we're not degenerates, and we actually want to raise a family. Now suppose you want to have a relationship and are looking for a spouse.

Some requirements you have for your spouse are:

1) Wants children and is able to have them

This goes without saying. If they can't have them, or doesn't want them, you cannot build a family with them.

You could just adopt. 

2) Wants to do their fair share of work involved with raising them

Are you willing to take care of the family alone, while the spouse bitches from the backseat? No. This is also unhealthy for the children, and for yourself, you should not do this.

Depends on the arrangement. There's plenty of people who want to be the solo raiser, or just hire a Nanny on the cheap with a Nanny Cam making threats. 

My folks had it split down the middle: One went to work while the other was the stay at home parent until around when I was five. 

3) Must be able to make sacrifices for the greater good

Raising children properly implies both parents make sacrifices for them. If they're unable to, it's bad for the children, which is something bad for you, since you're not a degenerate and have decided to have a family.

I'd replace this with something about income economics. It's not a sacrifice if you plan for it, it's a sacrifice if you aren't ready for it. 

You don't have to be a martyr to raise kids, you just need to be able to provide for them. "Sacrifice" is far too strong a word for a proper planner. 

4) Must be trustworthy, and of good character.

This is extremely important, because you do not want the other person to wreck the family.

You'd have to be able to tell that you aren't the time bomb, too. 

I'd replace this with some points about synergy. Even if both people are terrible on their own, if they 'complete' each other it can still work out, while two trustworthy types may find new feelings developing later. 

I'd also use this opportunity to attack the notion of the inauthenticity of PC communication. The maintenance of 'civility' often hides bigger, realer problems, while people who can't help but speak their minds clear a lot of the stress queue (barring argumentative feedback loops within a misinformed coupling), giving the couple room to adapt over a longer period of time towards each other over less at a time, making for less shock and surprise. 

5) You must enjoy each others company.

It's required because otherwise the dysfunction between spouses will not give the children a good model for relationships. And well, not being miserable does make the whole thing better.

They just need to accept each other's company enough to feel content with the situation. Natural synergy could have this happen over reasons that have nothing to do with their partner, such as if they live in a nice house with a lot of wealth. 

Take strongly religious families (like the Catholics) and you can see often enough two partners who principally love each other without an ounce of understanding or (healthy forms of) passion. 

Are there more requirements than the 4 above, that can't be reduced to one of them?

For real, I argue synergy. 

I've seen failures succeed and seeming successes fail based purely on how well their partner got off with them, as opposed to how well they get off with anybody. 

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The problem is that today, we have too many idiots breeding kids and getting married before 30. Usually, it's a mess.  

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I worry about genetics, whoever I have a kid with can't be an addict or that kid is just going to be fucked. The partner should probably be an empathic person because my emotional responses are not always the best. Most of all it needs to be a person who would put a lot of time in, make sure the kid learns piano, a second language, etc. I couldn't live with myself if I shorted my own child on life.

 I worry about genetics too, a lot of autoimmune issues that come from my mothers side. 

If we'd stopped family lines with genetic issues from having children, we'd never have birthed Einstein, Tesla, or loads of other influential people from history. 

Did you ever see Joss Whedon's creeper show called Dollhouse? He goes at length about how flaws nurture future strengths, such as how a reduction in eyesight is liable to lead to compensation in academics, accommodating social habits, or the strength of other senses. Every weakness is a strength in how it challenges the individual to potentially be more than it, while every strength allows them to not have to think about what's going on (ie: Stacy vs a Female Lit student). Even something like Asthma is more likely to shape your life towards more stationary occupations. 

Just because your kid suffers similar to you do does not mean they will fail at life identically to you. I come from a line of Schizos and am otherwise still going to store my sperm for a potential future child. 

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You could just adopt. said:
Tc

 This adoption thing feels like it's stretching it too far from the original goal.

-not your genes

-is your dating even focused on building a family if you wanna adopt

-how much do people in general want to just have a family with adopted children rather than their own

I'm gonna go ahead and draw a line and say no to adoption for the purpose of this.

 

Depends on the arrangement. There's plenty of people who want to be the solo raiser, or just hire a Nanny on the cheap with a Nanny Cam making threats. My folks had it split down the middle: One went to work while the other was the stay at home parent until around when I was five. said:
Tc

 Nannies no bueno if you rely on them to raise your children for you. And someone earning the money while the other does more nanny caring *is* working together

 

I'd replace this with something about income economics. It's not a sacrifice if you plan for it, it's a sacrifice if you aren't ready for it. You don't have to be a martyr to raise kids, you just need to be able to provide for them. "Sacrifice" is far too strong a word for a proper planner. said:
Tc

A  planned sacrifice is still a sacrifice.

 

You are sacrificing your time for the wellbeing of your brats. This is a sacrifice you have to make, otherwise you're not doing it well. You sacrifice on your wants for their needs. Even just providing for them is in itself a sacrifice, but you need to do more than that.

 

You'd have to be able to tell that you aren't the time bomb, too. I'd replace this with some points about synergy. Even if both people are terrible on their own, if they 'complete' each other it can still work out, while two trustworthy types may find new feelings developing later. I'd also use this opportunity to attack the notion of the inauthenticity of PC communication. The maintenance of 'civility' often hides bigger, realer problems, while people who can't help but speak their minds clear a lot of the stress queue (barring argumentative feedback loops within a misinformed coupling), giving the couple room to adapt over a longer period of time towards each other over less at a time, making for less shock and surprise. said:
Tc

Of course all of those go both ways.

This is not really a counter for the presented thing.

Good character and trustworthiness are taken in context of them not being a risk to ruin the family.

Just because it can be good, doesn't mean it usually is. Terrible people on their own make for terrible couples and families way more often than not. 

The tangent is a tangent. It relates to "how do you make things work" rather than "what traits am I looking for to not shoot myself in the foot hardcore and greatly diminish my chances of success". So you're supporting the notion of PC communication being inauthentic and bad. Well I don't disagree with that. PC communication is actually outside of being trustworthy and of good character. It's lying and hiding things. Those are bad.

 

 

I used quotes like a lunatic, and I'm not sorry for it. Ha-ha-ha!

 
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Both my parents and pretty much my entire family on both sides are addicts and look at me i turned out great Posted Image

and now i'm just a moody bartender with bad habits and a lotta nightmares am i right ladies 

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 as long as i take my anti-depressants we're all fine and dandy!

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FOTS said: 

6. Dont build a relationship off rape

Just a thought, take it or leave it

 If someone would have told me this years ago it would have saved me years of stalking.

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