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Slay said: 

Joker's very animated in the comics. Crazy homicidal maniac hellbent on chaos. It's quite fun to watch him go.

You're missing the point of him then, he's a character built on obsessive principles... but the principle is Dark Humor with Murderously Comedic Timing. He's "The Professional", but he picked a fucked up artistic medium to paint. There's small hints of it present in the films (like a fire truck being on fire), but it's not on par with how much of a Psychopathic Prankster with a love for puns can be taken. It's led to many situations where Harley's felt ignored over his constant plan-making. 

The point about Joker is that he's supposed to look affable from a distance while being pants-pissingly scary in person. 

I got into Batman and his villains a few months back. They are very interesting from a psychological stand point and they have good, believable backgrounds and reasons for doing what they do. There's a whole book talking about the psychology of Batman, his villains, and crime which I read and thoroughly enjoyed. 

Check The Animated Series from the 90s then. 

They obviously depict mental illness since most of them have issues.

Ohhhh yeah, they love doing that for their Rogue's Gallery, and arguably some of the good guys too (Batman PTSD is something Elseworld authors love). 

Clock King's issues with OCPD are pretty spectacular, Calander King's OCD is strange, then there's The Ventriloquist (MPD + Dependency), Two-Face (MPD based on self-persecution + fear of taking chances, obsession with duality and fatalism in a black & white way), The Creeper (Mania), Ra's Al Ghul (Narcissism), Catwoman (Kleptomania + Thrill Seeking), Mr Freeze (Depression), Poison Ivy (Xenophobia... with plants being her people), Mad Hatter (Obsessive stalker with Magical Thinking tendencies), the list goes on

Arguably the one who's the least blatantly disordered in one direction is, ironically, their craziest person (The Joker). He's used his collection of stories and quick wit to drive some of the staff insane. 

The mentally insane go to Arkham Asylum and leave after serving their terms or they escape.

Blackgate is where the non-crazies go, like when Batman fights The Mob. 

It's also where a lot of henchmen are placed when their ringleaders are in asylum. There's been some iconic henchmen over the years. 

They have interesting personalities like The Riddler, suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder, who can't commit a crime without leaving a riddle. The clinicians in the story themselves diagnose them. Not all the criminals are insane, though. 

They've tried to write his riddle weakness out of him a few times, once where he was leaving the riddles without his own knowledge, and another time they retconned where it was because "Brain Tumor". 

There was also a few comics in it's darker days where Riddler took Bane's steroids and went a little crazy, and an Elseworld or two had him as a detective. 

My favorite villain though? James Gordon Jr. Son to commissioner Gordon. Jim Gordon quickly realizes his son is a psychopath. He'd kill animals and take them apart. He was also suspected of killing his sister's friend for teasing him(He did it, but they can't prove it).

He's featured in The Batman Who Laughs, too. He's post-villainy at this point and just "wants to get better" without fully understanding his own issues while also denouncing his gifts in criminal investigation, and ultimately has to feed his issues and drop his medications in order to be helpful in saving people's lives. He's like the journey of the main character in Red Dragon/Manhunter, except his journey's in reverse

I don't care that you most likely enjoy him because of projection, he's a well written character. 

Stories and characters with actual depth is something I never expected out of Batman. I'm glad that someone gifted me the book that opened me up to it. 

It's a journey decades in the making

If you want more source materials I love the stuff. 

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Slay said: 

I just read my post above and found it interesting that I made several grammatical errors. That is very quite uncharacteristic of me. What caused it? I was sort of rushing to write my thoughts without paying too much attention to how I said things. 

It's called being excited for something. 

Just let it happen. 

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Well as Joker is a state of mind, they are not just one single character but more, that all took on the name, we believe. All the jokers have different stories, different looks, different ways that they operate. 

...yeah the comics recently when they fused multiple worlds together (they do shit like this with "Infinity Crisis' " and stupid shit like that), they tried to say Joker is four different people. 

"Why not just shit on the originals at this rate" is how I'd feel if there wasn't a chance of them retconning it. 

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Turncoat said:
It's a journey decades in the making.

If you want more source materials I love the stuff.

 Sure. The book I read is called "Batman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight". I'm specifically interested in the villain's motivations and background. I really like Jason Todd, post-crisis. My interests are based on everything I read in the book. It had a whole chapter dedicated to criminal nature that was enlightening. I also enjoyed the explanation of attachment styles and McClelland theory of needs. You should read it if you haven't yet. 

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Slay said: 
Turncoat said:
It's a journey decades in the making.

If you want more source materials I love the stuff.

 Sure. The book I read is called "Batman and Psychology: A Dark and Stormy Knight".

That sounds interesting, I'll try to look into it. 

Again I recommend Batman The Animated Series. It... was made for children's television, but it's foundational source material that serves to show the Batman Universe, based off of an averaging of it's own history but given a theatrical spin. Danny Elfman did the music, and the 20 minute format's really good for gaining a sense of the setting's world quickly. Following that is the Justice League cartoon which handles itself SIGNIFICANTLY more seriously, and Batman in that feels fleshed out and believable from it being based off of his TAS origins. 

It's been interesting to see more modern takes on Batman themes, but it's lost a lot of it's original purity in favor of demonstrating some metaphor about life in the now. 

I'm specifically interested in the villain's motivations and background.

As I'd been saying for years, Batman is only as good as his villains. He serves as The Straight Man in the delivery of the villain's worldviews, having him serve as an empty catalyst that frames our viewing towards the villain more primarily. 

I highly reccomend "Batman: No Man's Land: The Novel" by Greg Rucka. The majority of the narration is not even in Batman's perspective, giving him that urban legend feel that Gotham was meant to elicit. 

''I really like Jason Todd, post-crisis. My interests are based on everything I read in the book. It had a whole chapter dedicated to criminal nature that was enlightening. I also enjoyed the explanation of attachment styles and McClelland theory of needs. You should read it if you haven't yet. 

The Batman series as a whole is very sympathetic towards mental illness, but also presents it's antithesis by showing Gotham become worse as Batman allows them to go on. 

His well meaning intentions are what allow Gotham to be a cradle of madness. 

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FOTS said: 

Any thoughts?

It was an alright movie. I got bored of the pacing because I knew he was going to end up as The Joker. I was wondering what sort of depravity would happen with him that would turn him that way. Instead, it was a socially inept guy who got fired from a job, back-stabbed by a co-worker, got jumped on a train, etc. And his laughter, instead of representing something more cynical, was really just pseudobulbar affect. I wanted something more interesting than a sad Average Joe who got kicked one too many times and snapped. "Falling Down" did a much better job at that.

Despite all of that, it was still an alright movie. Lacking in imagination, decent in the sense that the actors skillfully played their roles.

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Still haven't seen it. Let me tell you guys about it. 

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