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No he can't :P

That's a tough issue to legislate reasonably and ethically, tho.

At the extreme end of the spectrum, you have guys like the Greyhound Killer.

Rare but dangerous.

At the other end you have a whole lot of victims who are feared and attacked for being weird and 'possibly' dangerous.

In the middle you have a whole lot of people who are weird but completely harmless.

Then you have a whole lot more like Turncoat who are just rude and annoying and refuse to medicate themselves for it.

 Is there even a way to force those people to stop being so rude? Without violating their rights, their autonomy or what have you?

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I guess my point is, you don't feel any sort of sadness for these people who are having their "episodic times" mocked by people on the internet? I'm not really talking about the YouTube channels with 40 cumulative views, but rather the rest of KiwiFarms. Can you see yourself in them?

Strangely enough, the fact that they're uploading themselves has me feeling less sympathetic. I'm not really sure why beyond figuring that someone recording another person seems worse, but that justification's spurred to mind more than once while watching these. Might be from how shameless they tend to seem about it, and how when confronted with hecklers how they continue to post regardless of it. I can't relate, as I don't even want to record myself coordinated for others to see. I know I should probably feel bad about them, but I honestly don't since I don't really know them beyond those videos and maybe some social media postings, much like a celebrity. I instead enjoy it as what it is to me, fascinating art. 

I see some elements of myself in some of them, but when applied to myself it plays off more as motivational horror stories more than pity. While I have acted out in public before, somehow it's different when it's first person instead of third, and even there, in some ways, the past views of what's happened can feel more like it "wasn't me" despite objectively knowing better. Otherwise with these videos I tend to be distracted by the content itself rather than focusing on the comments about it. 

"Strangely enough, the fact that they're uploading themselves has me feeling less sympathetic"

That's a good point, tho. Tehnical proficiency suggests agency, free will.

If the person was too crazy to control his/her fists, s/he should have also been too crazy to control the recording and upload process.

It's similar to the "she asked for it" argument with rape victims. If a girl's scantily clad and she gets raped, it's the guy's fault, imo. If she's masturbating on cam and some guy comes and fucks her, I would have a harder time believing her if she tries to holler rape.

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haart stated: source post

I guess my point is, you don't feel any sort of sadness for these people who are having their "episodic times" mocked by people on the internet? I'm not really talking about the YouTube channels with 40 cumulative views, but rather the rest of KiwiFarms. Can you see yourself in them?

Strangely enough, the fact that they're uploading themselves has me feeling less sympathetic. I'm not really sure why beyond figuring that someone recording another person seems worse, but that justification's spurred to mind more than once while watching these.

I can understand that. But surely you recognise that they may well (I'd wager - in all likelihood) feel quite ashamed of this when in their right minds. Something uploaded during "an episode" is not a true reflection of their character. And receiving such abuse during a period of vulnerability would impact even the thickest of skins.

Might be from how shameless they tend to seem about it, and how when confronted with hecklers how they continue to post regardless of it. I can't relate, as I don't even want to record myself coordinated for others to see. I know I should probably feel bad about them, but I honestly don't since I don't really know them beyond those videos and maybe some social media postings. I instead enjoy it as what it is to me, fascinating art. 

As above.

I see some elements of myself in some of them, but when applied to myself it plays off more as motivational horror stories more than pity.

You're likely aware that "motivation" plays little role in serious, acute episodes of schizophrenia. You can't think yourself out of a debilitating illness. It's plausible that you could mimic these people.

While I have acted out in public before, somehow it's different when it's first person instead of third, and even there, in some ways, the past views of what's happened can feel more like it "wasn't me" despite objectively knowing better. Otherwise with these videos I tend to be distracted by the content itself rather than focusing on the comments about it. 

I'll admit again that I've no idea how you've manifested in the past. However, it's not outside the realm of possibility that you could behave this bizarrely, record and upload it, and be relentlessly mocked online. I wonder if you have the capacity to imagine that scenario, or if it feels too remote?

"it's not outside the realm of possibility that you could behave this bizarrely, record and upload it, and be relentlessly mocked online. I wonder if you have the capacity to imagine that scenario, or if it feels too remote?"

No he can't. Because he's not really schizophrenic.

He's just an asshole and he's the one who does the mocking  :P

haart stated: source post

I can understand that. But surely you recognise that they may well (I'd wager - in all likelihood) feel quite ashamed of this when in their right minds. Something uploaded during "an episode" is not a true reflection of their character. And receiving such abuse during a period of vulnerability would impact even the thickest of skins.

These videos can be taken down at any time regardless of how old they are. Some of these subjects have been uploading for near-half a decade. If they haven't done something about it by now, I doubt they ever will. For one reason or another they're choosing to keep it up. 
 

You're likely aware that "motivation" plays little role in serious, acute episodes of schizophrenia. You can't think yourself out of a debilitating illness.

Stress management can reduce the chances and severity, and recognizing symptoms surfacing can work as a warning sign of sorts. With this the environment around me can be controlled, things like work shifts can be covered, and I can lock myself away when I can tell that it's going to be a bad time. 

It's not so much motivation or willpower as it is proper planning. It doesn't always work out, but it reduces the potential harm. 
 

It's plausible that you could mimic these people.

And when that's a thing, if I'm unable to find somewhere to retreat I'll be laughed at and/or studied too (and have been by some friends). I thankfully worry about being seen while like that, so I think more along wanting to find places to hide. 
 

I'll admit again that I've no idea how you've manifested in the past. However, it's not outside the realm of possibility that you could behave this bizarrely, record and upload it, and be relentlessly mocked online. I wonder if you have the capacity to imagine that scenario, or if it feels too remote?

I seriously can't imagine recording and uploading myself onto the internet, especially when off balance. I worry about surveillance instead of embracing it, even down to worrying about surrounding pedestrians potentially being able to read minds (I watch their faces during such times to be sure they don't "hear" me). Even if I were to somehow get to that point, I have people around me who'd stop me. I can see why that'd suck for other people, but it's still not me. 

Many of them trust that this footage will somehow help them get to where they need to be, while I'm closer to thinking that anything about me that's seen will be one more step towards my downfall through some sort of secret group that's after me. The more delusional I'm behaving, the less I want to be witnessed, unlike them who seem more prone to it when they're out of control. 

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haart stated: source post

I can understand that. But surely you recognise that they may well (I'd wager - in all likelihood) feel quite ashamed of this when in their right minds. Something uploaded during "an episode" is not a true reflection of their character. And receiving such abuse during a period of vulnerability would impact even the thickest of skins.

These videos can be taken down at any time regardless of how old they are. Some of these subjects have been uploading for near-half a decade. If they haven't done something about it by now, I doubt they ever will. For one reason or another they're choosing to keep it up. 

I'll be honest with you, Turn. While I don't doubt for a moment (taking, in good faith, the catalogue of symptoms you described) that you have schizophrenia, you seem to have one of the more optimistic presentations. I've had a lot of contact with schizophrenics in gen med, emergency and psych rotations. Some of them live with lifelong psychosis. In those cases, it wouldn't be unusual to have this lingering online presence. I say this purely to address your use of the term "choice".

You're likely aware that "motivation" plays little role in serious, acute episodes of schizophrenia. You can't think yourself out of a debilitating illness.

Stress management can reduce the chances and severity, and recognizing symptoms surfacing can work as a warning sign of sorts. With this the environment around me can be controlled, things like work shifts can be covered, and I can lock myself away when I can tell that it's going to be a bad time. 

It's not so much motivation or willpower as it is proper planning. It doesn't always work out, but it reduces the potential harm. 

Again, optimistic. And, for that, I'm more than thrilled for you. Some presentations of schizophrenia seem - to me - worse than death.

It's plausible that you could mimic these people.

And when that's a thing, if I'm unable to find somewhere to retreat I'll be laughed at and/or studied too (and have been by some friends). I thankfully worry about being seen while like that, so I think more along wanting to find places to hide. 

How did you feel about those friends?

I'll admit again that I've no idea how you've manifested in the past. However, it's not outside the realm of possibility that you could behave this bizarrely, record and upload it, and be relentlessly mocked online. I wonder if you have the capacity to imagine that scenario, or if it feels too remote?

I seriously can't imagine recording and uploading myself onto the internet, especially when off balance. I worry about surveillance instead of embracing it, even down to worrying about surrounding pedestrians potentially being able to read minds (I watch their faces during such times to be sure they don't "hear" me). Even if I were to somehow get to that point, I have people around me who'd stop me. I can see why that'd suck for other people, but it's still not me. 

Many of them trust that this footage will somehow help them get to where they need to be, while I'm closer to thinking that anything about me that's seen will be one more step towards my downfall through some sort of secret group that's after me. The more delusional I'm behaving, the less I want to be witnessed, unlike them who seem more prone to it when they're out of control. 

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I'm not at all suggesting that you'll be one of these lunatic.com's in a few years, I was more looking to gauge how you view your episodes of illness as compared to theirs.

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Some of them live with lifelong psychosis. In those cases, it wouldn't be unusual to have this lingering online presence.

This is mostly bad if they live to a point of regretting it, as if they remain oblivious to the potential harm or shame then it's as if it's not even happening. If they can't recognize the harm, it's those who have to deal with them, those that are connected to it, that really suffer for those actions. 
 

It's plausible that you could mimic these people.

And when that's a thing, if I'm unable to find somewhere to retreat I'll be laughed at and/or studied too (and have been by some friends). I thankfully worry about being seen while like that, so I think more along wanting to find places to hide. 

How did you feel about those friends?

They still looked out for me, but they weren't going to pretend I didn't say and do the things I said and did. That was fine, as I was largely the same way with them with their problems and quirks. We rolled with punches instead of pussy footing around a mine field of worries, and from that I knew I could trust them seeing a bit more of me than I'd otherwise show. 

Part of why I like SC relates to that kind of mindset. 
 

I'll admit again that I've no idea how you've manifested in the past. However, it's not outside the realm of possibility that you could behave this bizarrely, record and upload it, and be relentlessly mocked online. I wonder if you have the capacity to imagine that scenario, or if it feels too remote?

I seriously can't imagine recording and uploading myself onto the internet, especially when off balance. I worry about surveillance instead of embracing it, even down to worrying about surrounding pedestrians potentially being able to read minds (I watch their faces during such times to be sure they don't "hear" me). Even if I were to somehow get to that point, I have people around me who'd stop me. I can see why that'd suck for other people, but it's still not me. 

Many of them trust that this footage will somehow help them get to where they need to be, while I'm closer to thinking that anything about me that's seen will be one more step towards my downfall through some sort of secret group that's after me. The more delusional I'm behaving, the less I want to be witnessed, unlike them who seem more prone to it when they're out of control. 

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I'm not at all suggesting that you'll be one of these lunatic.com's in a few years, I was more looking to gauge how you view your episodes of illness as compared to theirs.

It feels sort of like over-reactive introversion versus over-reactive extroversion for the louder cases. I see similarities, but their expression is relatable only up to a point. 

The ones closer to how I behave bridge more into that uncanny valley of relating, and it's worse once I actually get to know them. Distancing helps for not letting things ruin it.