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haart stated: source post
Maybe you didn't see my bit about emphasising the legislative similarities.
The difference is too huge imo for any similarities to count.
Yeah, but how do you safeguard against that? You could fill your ailing grandfather's ears with emotionally manipulative "financial burden on the family" rhetoric to subtly sway him into euthanasia.
There are laws safeguarding against trickier shit all the time. Pushing someone into being euthanized is to be considered a crime, just as pushing someone into suicide. It should be the law maker's job to settle the issues, I didn't say it would be easy. If the person is convinced they want to die and their condition is bad enough, I don't see any reason to complicate things. It's more unethical to me to deny others a humane ending of their lives. This is my opinion. I can see your pov too. We can only agree to disagree at this point.
Edvard stated: source post
This is my opinion. I can see your pov too. We can only agree to disagree at this point.
I can understand your opinion, and I don't consider it to be irrational. We can respectfully disagree :)
"I am sympathetic to the emotive arguments of pro-euthanasia activists. I can understand the enormous tragedy it must be to die an undignified, painful, protracted death. But I don't feel that active euthanasia should be the domain of the medical community.
If people wish to die, have someone else end their life. Don't ask a doctor."
This is a really interesting question you raise. To me what stands out is not that you are against active euthanasia (though you are), but that you are especially against the idea of medical personnel performing the procedure, as it doesn't fall within the scope of their duty. This is interesting to me mostly because I've never thought about it before. Whose duty would it be to perform active euthanasia? Perhaps if for some reason it was legalized, there would have to be a new strain of personal trained specifically for the task? That said, I have no idea why anyone would want that job, if it existed. If you are to attribute the death of the person being euthanized to the person who euthanized them, then they are the ones who 'did the deed' so to speak. But this isn't how I see it at all, I view it as something much closer to suicide. In a hypothetical case, the person being euthanized is strongly in favor of it happening, they are the ones who give the okay, the procedure cannot and will not be performed without their permission. In the same way a commander is seen as responsible for the death of troops on his orders, I view the patient as the one responsible for his/her being euthanized.
Suicide is illegal. This isn't even on debate, it's pretty much an agreed upon thing. I don't know jack shit about euthanasia or physician assisted suicide, but I can't see either being legalized when straight suicide is illegal and against human values.
That said, there are cases in which euthanasia is definitely legal, like with a pet being put down. For lots of dogs, they're put down instead of dying naturally. Often when a dog exhibits incorrigible hostile behavior, they're put down even if biologically they're perfectly healthy. I guess it's pretty natural for humans to value human life over other life as we are our own species. Still, the way some life is okay to end while other life isn't has always struck me as odd. Oh well.
Apologies in advance for spelling/grammar, it's early >_>
Erm... Whose responsibility should it be, if not a doctor?
If we're drawing comparisons to abortion here, y'all are reminding me of back alley butchers with coathangers. I hear they did smthg like that as part of the mummification process in ancient Egypt O.O
And who says every homeless person spends their panning money on drugs? Can't you tell which ones are high/ jonesy? I usually can.
I'm not comfortable with both but definitely not passive euthanasia. Why would you even take the risk of killing someone on accident with such a treatment(unless you absolutely have to for that persons life).
Active euthanasia is situational. If the patient, genuinely wants to die that is their choice that they should legally sign off on as well as their family members(because the patient with the illness might not be in the right state of mind). Perhaps add a specialized person who can categorize whether the patient qualifies for being able to sign off his life for more deniability and comfort for the medical staff/family. Like motor said
I don't think it should be up to the doctor to do it. I feel like if you are of sound enough mind to request death, you are more than likely (in most cases) able to do it yourself without the aid of a doctor. I can't make up my mind about old people being 'passively' morphined to death...seems the same as actively doing it...but at the same time, it feels sort of humane. Not talking about little miss bitty in a wheelchair putting around, I'm talking about the old lady thats been in the same bed for three years being kept alive by feeding tubes. Does she even know you are there? Does that count as brain dead? I wouldn't want to be stuck like that, if I knew I was like that. I guess if I didn't know I wouldn't really care. Haart, if for some reason doctors were made to actively euthanize people would you find it easier to sleep after killing an old veggie or a young kid that say was in a car accident and put in the same veggie state? something along those lines, I'm just curious to see if the line blurs at all for someone that might possibly be in the position take care of that nasty business some day. Would knowing someone led a full and long life make it easier?
Euthanasia to me is very cut and dry.
All these stupid, updated, unneeded and traditionalist doctors groups who somehow hold their occupation up to something other than just doing a job need to go. They're at the very root of the problem when it comes to euthanasia, in order to maintain the mantel of "oh special life giving work" they have to pretend to care about special causes and project morality in a otherwise plain; get money for doing X and using your skills.
This is one of those causes, these medical associations have taken it upon themselves that for some strange reason they're entitled to speaking for the many and under that (false) pretext of having support they also have the audacity to project a personal moral choice upon the people which work and legislate within that area. I don't blame them for doing this, they need to mystify and keep the occupation of being a medical doctor something special and their little moral causes are just one of those things that help them do just that.
As for euthanasia, I'm all for it, it's an individual's choice and anyone who is qualified to carry it out in a dignified manner should be able to euthanize someone who has undergone some sort of program which would make sure that that person is fully aware of the consequences of that decision.
(A smaller one for ed)
Euthanasia to me is very cut and dry.
All these stupid, updated, unneeded and traditionalist doctors groups who somehow hold their occupation up to something other than just doing a job need to go. They're at the very root of the problem when it comes to euthanasia, in order to maintain the mantel of "oh special life giving work" they have to pretend to care about special causes and project morality in a otherwise plain; get money for doing X and using your skills.
This is one of those causes, these medical associations have taken it upon themselves that for some strange reason they're entitled to speaking for the many and under that (false) pretext of having support they also have the audacity to project a personal moral choice upon the people which work and legislate within that area. I don't blame them for doing this, they need to mystify and keep the occupation of being a medical doctor something special and their little moral causes are just one of those things that help them do just that.
As for euthanasia, I'm all for it, it's an individual's choice and anyone who is qualified to carry it out in a dignified manner should be able to euthanize someone who has undergone some sort of program which would make sure that that person is fully aware of the consequences of that decision.
(A smaller one for ed)