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I was responding to Ed's navel gazing about where our eyebrows may have come from.

6 million years is a long enough time for a species to breed a particular feature (a full face of ape fur) out of their line. 

But no, as a species we have not been around long.

6 million years also stretches the limits of what we consider "human"

I'm going with bipedalism. Some would call the first "humans"  in our evolutionary history the ones who had throat bones for complex language (the figure 800 000ya rings familiar, but I'd have to google to be sure.)

Still others would only call homo sapiens sapiens  (complex civilizations with art, literature,  historians, classes, warfare etc.) true "humans" We're talking about less than 50 000 years back into our evolutionary history for that group.

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"Anything science tells you. You don't even understand it. They report what they've done, and you'll say "ah yes that makes sense and I'd argue it.""
Yeah i don't get every single aspect of science. I get the science that is in my field. But if you really want to, you can go and read the explanation that is tested, observed, replicated and explained. Unlike anything a creator has ever shown. Are you a moron?

 

"You say many mysterious steps are being discovered daily in science but that's not even true, because solving mysteries in science is groundbreaking, and is a cause for celebration."
Yes they are lol. They do their own celebrations. Do you really think the entire world must be throwing parties or something?

"Science has been forced to concur with spirituality countless times. From Hawking saying the universe is still expanding, to Yahweh saying no one else but him can spread the skies, and how salt water doesn't mix with fresh water and so on. If you looked it up, you'd see ancients knowing about planets in our solar system before NASA. It's not stuff you'd believe but it's been written for a pretty damn long."
This has nothing to do with spirituality. Its called logical deduction. If you go back in time you can see theories that are totally wrong too. Especially those based on spirituality lol.

"Law of thermal dynamics. We don't get something from nothing.... Except when the universe began. It just spontaneously self collapsed for no reason, but that will be the only time something comes from nothing. Makes sense, but really ?"
How do you know these laws apply to the the universe? They apply to things inside the universe. Every law we have applies to things withing the universe, not to the universe itself. Because we are inside the universe and thats the only location we have studied. Energy is preserved within the universe. You can speculate this is not the case, since patters seem to repeat, but you can't be sure and the law doesn't say it,
Don't make up the science. Its exact and precise. You can't corner science, you can't argue with facts, every time people try, they fail. Only facts and evidence are of any value in this field. Anything else is bullshit.

"I wouldn't go as far as to even put a number on the likely hood of an imaginary man in the sky. The Primordial soup has been debunked, because when the right conditions are simulated, the amino acid does not replicate."
I think scientists do not know the right conditions exactly. And it would seem that's what they think too.

"When I see a program, that is evidence of a creator. If we made a super computer to write software, we'd never ever get a complete package out of it. The DNA is more advanced than all of our software combined. The code is coded. By your logic, nothing zip ziltch null void what have you, created this finer than what we've done, coding. That alone is evidence."

I can make a program that writes programs lol. Are you serious? You do not even need a super computer to generate anything. Do you know about AI's? The principle of AI's? You can use this principle to create anything. I will be studying it this year in depth. And you would need to be more specific, there are so many examples of simpler programs. Just compiling source code is a program writing a program.
When i started reading this sentence i would think you would argue that even if a program writes a program, someone still wrote the original program. That would of made more sense for you to argue.
The DNA will soon be replicated by people... I did not understand how complexity and lack of understanding == there must be a creator. That makes no sense, its a fallacy and its stupid. And everything that exists doesn't need a creator, you can say it does, but there is no evidence for it lol, i said only real facts matter. Not made up things that seem logical. If there is evidence of a creator i will say that there is a creator. Something existing =/= evidence of a sentient being creating it.

"For some reason it's proven to you that we've been created without consciousness as a guiding force."
It is proven i am created. Its not proven that there is a guiding hand or that there isn't. Then you apply the burden of proof. We talked about this at the start of this conversation.

"The design of your hands, are designed that was for a purpose, and you know very well what the hands purpose is for. But it also makes sense to you how that's a product of unconsciousness, despite it's brilliance."
I love my male nipples. A perfect evidence of intelligent design. I can do the nipple dance, put some nipple clamps, thank you my creator. This brilliant and useful creation.

"Not everyone needs a giant face to appear over Earth's skies as proof, nor does everyone have to depending on the 6 o clock news to report what's happening for it to be believable."
A footstep, or maybe some space booger would also be evidence. But speculation out of some human's ass, is just his shit, its not even god's shit(god's shit would be evidence too).

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The beauty of it...

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ThenFuckit stated: source post

"Not everyone needs a giant face to appear over Earth's skies as proof, nor does everyone have to depending on the 6 o clock news to report what's happening for it to be believable."


A footstep, or maybe some space booger would also be evidence. But speculation out of some human's ass, is just his shit, its not even god's shit(god's shit would be evidence too).

 

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maybe god cummed us into existence, ever wonder why its called "The Milky Way"?

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The fuck?

There is ample evidence for the statements I just made.

 

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071018/full/news.2007.177.html

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/footprints/laetoli-footprint-trails

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux

 

^  Those finds have all been dated with up to the minute dating methods.

They teach this stuff in leading universities.

Duh.

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ThenFuckit stated: source post

maybe god cummed us into existence, ever wonder why its called "The Milky Way"?

LOL... now you are sounding a bit more rational... proof everyday... just need to be willing to listen... and look.. and see..

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Cuz you're an ignorant bible thumper who doesn't believe in science.

lol

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