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Things That Annoy Me (Labour Coup).


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Six days ago, Angela Eagle claimed to retain full support of her Wallasey constituency, but how can that be when her constituency resolved, overwhelmingly, to support Corbyn and she, instead, joined the ranks of the 172 neoliberal nobodies, all sitting on the wrong side of the house and resigning from positions most people had no idea existed, stabbing her own voters in the back with no constitutional legitimacy or regard for the democratic process?
Well, as it goes, she has since canceled two walk-in surgeries within Wallasey amid security concerns, so up in flames go her delusions of constituency support, much like her delusions of one day becoming prime minister of this green and pleasant land. 
But never fear for the canons of propaganda have been rolled out on to the green. It turns out that this is, of course, all Corbyn's fault for allowing the development of a permissive environment in which police cannot guarantee the safety of Corbyn-opposed MP's. 
(Seriously, this coup was predicated upon this woman's potential as prime minister...? It's almost as if actually toppling Corbyn from the leadership position was an ancillary concern - hardy har har). 
Anyway, when it's pointed out to Angela that Corbyn has repeatedly condemned threats and acts of violence towards opposing MP's, she says, in her usual confused and doddering way, that ritual condemnations are worthless and he is to be judged by his actions, not his words. 
For what it's worth, I have read no reports of Corbyn threatening his MP's, but nevertheless, speaking of judging people by their actions and not their words...
As the polls show an ever increasing lead for Corbyn, Owen 'Radical' Smith seems close to literally morphing into his opponent, which begs the question: if Corbyn is indeed unelectable, why is Owen doing his best to imitate him?
Owen hosted a cozy little get-together in Liverpool this past Friday eve, where he called for a 'cold-eyed, socialist revolution'
This from a man who compared Labour involvement in the invasion of Iraq to UK socialists volunteering their lives to fight against Franco and friends in the 1930's, before admitting the world would be 'a much safer place had there been no invasion'. 
This from a man who claimed to 'fundamentally want a world without nuclear bombs', before voting to renew Trident. 
This from a man who worked as chief spin-doctor for disgraced biotech Amgen at a time when the corp was illegally promoting drugs for non-approved, potentially fatal uses. 
This from a man who actively backed the privatization of the NHS when working for yet another disgraced biotech (as if there is any other kind) in Pfizer. 
As September looms ever closer and Corbyn's lead continues to grow, Owen will inevitably gravitate more and more to the embarrassingly-named hard left, but as we've learnt from Angela Eagle, we are to judge a man by his actions, not his words, and his actions show him to be, at best, confused, and, at worst, a malleable yes-man with few scruples. Ideal, then, for the rest of the Blairite illegitimate sons of Thatcherism within the party.
Meanwhile, Sarah Champion belies her name as she is the first to crack under the weight of her own conscience by 'unresigning' and returning to her former post of Shadow Minister for Preventing Domestic Abuse (which is ironic, because every time I hear her speak, I have the urge to punch my girlfriend in the face), whilst senior party figures apparently Alistair Campbell and Jack Straw continue to campaign tirelessly for the coup in a desperate and, thus far, successful attempt to deflect attention from the publication of the Chilcot report. 
I hope, at least, all of this has gone some way to soothing Hilary Benn's bitterness over the fact his father's rotting corpse would still make a better prime minister than he ever will. Incidentally, I wonder if he was named after an unknown bee-keeper from New Zealand. Probably.

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I wish I knew what the hell you are talking about lol.

Hell, If I am ever drunk in your bar remember to be a good barman and listen to my problems. Skip politics and just play the cliche role of the grumpy guy behind the counter pouring another dose of bourbon and telling me to go home.

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I adore you.

<3

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The Corbyn campaign has suffered a major blow after losing the support of Abby Tomlinson to the opposition. 



This is the girl credited (for lack of a better word) with creating Milifandom, a movement of middle-aged and undersexed women getting all creepy over Ed 'Tough Enough' Miliband. 
That's it. Those are her credentials. 
Show Owen a barrel and watch him scrape away. 

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Pfizer is hardly disgraced, they've been doing amazing. 

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Illegal marketing practices, testing unapproved drugs on children without parental consent and massive tax avoidance aside, they have indeed.

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You clearly know more about this than me, but I know this:

- Labour party has 230 members of parliament chosen by the general population, right?

- Corbyn is a charismatic figure who is great at speeches, on the radical left side. He has some sort of cult going on of supporters within his own party constituency, 64% of whom voted him as party leader. Again, this is not from the general population, but the 400 000 or so party members who have the right to choose the leader of their party.

- The leader of a party has to work with his shadow cabinet and the rest of the MPs from his party to get shit done, right? Discuss and think through party politics. Corbyn is an old, known MP among his coworkers, and has been leader of the Labor party for almost a year.

- After the Brexit referendum, two thirds (31 people) of his shadow cabinet and 23 MPs resigned in protest to his leadership. Corbyn didn't take the hint and didn't quit as any decent leader would have. Then ALL the party MPs hold a vote of no confidence and 80% !! of them say they have no confidence in Corbyn as a leader. This is fucking huge, 170 people or so. A leader can't work with so much opposition dude. Still, Corbyn refused to resign, despite the fact that almost everyone who has to work with him hates him. I refuse to believe so many people are wrong. There is a saying, when 3 people tell you you're drunk, sit down. Corbyn is this absurd selfish stubborn figure who doesn't give a shit about the opinions of his colleagues and keeps fighting against them poisoning the entire party. This situation gave birth to fucking embarrassing situations where in parliament debates Corbyn got booed and insulted by his own party MPs while trying to make a case for his views.

So the Labour MPs then chose this other candidate, Smith, to challenge Corbyn, and now they are holding elections hoping the Labour membership would see sense and vote for the other guy to kick Corbyn out. What amazes me is that the Corbyn cult members are so fucking blinded by Corbyn's speeches (he is good at speeches) that they still want to keep him as leader. Dudes, talking is not enough. Those MPs, 80% (170 smth people) who are crying out loud that he's a shit leader, they know the guy, have tried working with him. They are saying he is all talk, can't take decisions, can't organize, all sorts of things. Then trust those people ffs, they know what is really going on in the party. But no, the average Corbyn supporter is too fanatical to see the problem, and will still vote for Corbyn for some reason. I really don't get it. There is no way the MPs would get behind Corbyn, why the fuck force upon all of them a shitty leader if you care about the party? 

The Labour party would probably split if Corbyn won again. It is in a sad meltdown right now. UKIP is in a meltdown too lmao, with people fighting over its leadership. What you have now in the UK is China: one party without ANY opposition. With a Prime Minister elected by 200 people from her own party.

Oddly enough, I think it's exactly what the UK needs now when it has difficult decisions to take. A semi-dictatorial regime with almost complete freedom, with few people with any say against it XD

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If we say, for the sake of argument, the intentions of the dissenters are honest and straightforward, Corbyn nonetheless does boast a democratic mandate to lead the party, which will be renewed in September. He does have majority support of the mass membership (which has doubled since his election, and not because the people want rid of the man) and of the unions. 
Why should he abandon that because of a mutiny of a minority, deserting the ordinary people who've supported him throughout to appease the self-entitled elites who'd feel far more comfortable sitting amongst the brothel-creepers on the other side of commons? Would that be the mark of a decent leader?
It's strange that you seem to imply an asterisk over May's leadership of the country on the basis she has parliamentary support but - as yet - no democratic mandate, yet you're opposed to the leader of the opposition on the basis that he has a democratic mandate but lacks parliamentary support. 
Besides, this situation is more complex than an unhappy work force whining about their boss. It's the culmination of 20+ years of working-class betrayal by the party (which, incidentally, has been summarized perfectly by this coup). Now these people are demanding a voice and it's put a few noses out of joint, but it doesn't disappear with Corbyn; if it isn't him, it will be someone else (and no, Owen 'Fire In My Belly' Smith won't cut it). 

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Litany stated: source post

If we say, for the sake of argument, the intentions of the dissenters are honest and straightforward, Corbyn nonetheless does boast a democratic mandate to lead the party, which will be renewed in September. He does have majority support of the mass membership (which has doubled since his election, and not because the people want rid of the man) and of the unions. 

Why should he abandon that because of a mutiny of a minority, deserting the ordinary people who've supported him throughout to appease the self-entitled elites who'd feel far more comfortable sitting amongst the brothel-creepers on the other side of commons? Would that be the mark of a decent leader?

The word "democratic" is now thrown around like some ultimate validation. Well no, it's fucking not. Many times, the majority is dumb and makes wrong choices, and this is one of the obvious cases. By their fanatical support of a leader who can't get a hold of power in his own fucking party, not to mention in the ENTIRE the country, the Corbyn supporters are hurting themselves. And they're so impractical and caught up in their ideology they're too blind to see it. The Tories are ruthelessly practical and extremely efficient, in contrast. A stubborn leader can't lead a bunch of people who don't want to be led Litany. Crobyn meets up and has to work with his MPs, not with Johnny the factory worker who applauds him at his speeches. Also, the MPs have the mandate of the general public. 170 is A LOT. Something is wrong within the party under Corbyn, things don't click, he is a toxic leader for the party, and given the huge number of MPs on the brink of tears in interviews, willing to fuck up their political careers just not to have Corbyn lead them, I tend to believe there is smth wrong with Corbyn. The fact that he forces himself upon them is enough proof he's delusional and too stubborn to listen and lead. No matter how much some WISH and HOPE the situation be different, it's not. By not being realistic, by not accepting this fact they are shooting themselves in the foot.

What you call a "minority" is the huge MAJORITY of people close to Corbyn, who know him better than the excitable factory worker who merely agrees with Corbyn that he deserves a better life. People need to look past WORDS and PROMISES to the actions and facts. And the fact is, Corbyn is a shit leader of the Labour Party.

Corbyn, if he had any decency, would start his own party with the handful of MPs who support him. The Labour membership in his cult can follow him there. That Labour membership doesn't want the Labour party, but Corbyn.

 

It's strange that you seem to imply an asterisk over May's leadership of the country on the basis she has parliamentary support but - as yet - no democratic mandate, yet you're opposed to the leader of the opposition on the basis that he has a democratic mandate but lacks parliamentary support. 

I like the May lady as PM and the way she stays in power. If general elections happened now, she'd win them by a landslide, and with many ex Labour supporters disgusted by the stuff happening in their own party.

 

Besides, this situation is more complex than an unhappy work force whining about their boss. It's the culmination of 20+ years of working-class betrayal by the party (which, incidentally, has been summarized perfectly by this coup). Now these people are demanding a voice and it's put a few noses out of joint, but it doesn't disappear with Corbyn; if it isn't him, it will be someone else (and no, Owen 'Fire In My Belly' Smith won't cut it). 

Splitting the party and fucking up its future is not going to solve anything. Being a diehard supporter of a party who can't be elected by the general public to govern is conceited and pointless.

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In the 2015 general, Labour lost so many seats that were previously strongholds, throughout the midlands, the north and, of course, Scotland. This cost Labour the election. 
The farcical remain campaign spent six months preaching to the converted in London and its hinterlands, smugly leaving the tabloids to their monopoly on the working class voter. This cost the remain campaign the referendum. 
Labour has been bleeding for many years, long before Corbyn even had his name on the ballot, and that is largely due to the party's insouciant manner towards the working classes.
Whether modern democracy is practical is another argument, an argument I'm not opposed to hearing, but modern democracy is the grass on which we're playing, so if the working classes are, as you say, dumb and liable to make the wrong choices, is that not all the more reason for Labour to reconnect with these people, to educate and engage them in real politics? Isn't that exactly what Corbyn has done in his ten months at the helm? Is there anyone else within the party that has potential to engage the working classes as well as Corbyn? Perhaps the question should not be 'Is the Labour party electable with Jeremy Corbyn as leader?', but instead, 'Is the Labour party electable without Jeremy Corbyn as leader?'

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