It is precisely that insidious coating of 'goodness' what makes it much more pervasive and devastating than the outright jackboot versions like nazism or state-communism.
Well, I disagree. You must dislike a lot of children's movies then, with their exaggerated morals.
I think semi-indoctrination like that is harmless. A lack of nuance and failure to highlight competing perspectives is much more dangerous. It enables people to live in 'bubbles' where they don't see how reality looks to people different than themselves.
Inquirer stated: source post
a form of indoctrination, like all education.
That's an unwarranted hyperbole.
It's only when (& where) education gets subjugated to ideology. Which is undoubtedly very much the case right now, but it has its ebbs and flows - otherwise we'd be still stuck in the stone age.
Not saying that prevailing politics have no effect on education at any given time (they do), but the matter is the magnitude / severity. There is a cut-off point.
As of now, the "western" world is at cca. 1970s soviet-era level, and regressing into hardline stalinist territory.
Right, I was thinking more along the lines of 'upbringing'. Can't really think of a better word at the moment. Education could be just about facts and thus not a form of indoctrination.
I recognize that we do have these problems today but I just don't see how you can think they are so severe.
Inquirer stated: source post
Well, I disagree. You must dislike a lot of children's movies then, with their exaggerated morals.
A lack of nuance and failure to highlight competing perspectives is much more dangerous.
Contradicting yourself within two sentences already. You can do better than that.
I do dislike certain children movies for their exaggeratedly dumb message. The disney line of children's films. I was downright offended by them as a kid (much more so than i am now as an adult), as i felt they were personally insulting me by assuming that all children are that dumb.
Why i felt so? Because i was rotten spoilt by the shitload of folk-tales and fairy-tales i have read (and been told, before i could read) with their very nuanced yet profoundly moral perspectives. Most of those would be - or already are - censored and blacklisted in the current PC environment.
Some say one's intellect is by-&-large determined by the age of 7, and i can't fully disagree with that.
Inquirer stated: source post
I just don't see how you can think they are so severe.
It's having empirical evidence (added to the anecdotal) - in short, being an old fart around the block since quite a while. (Nope, i don't like it but that's what i am.)
On the 'severity scale', right now it's approx. 1975-'72 eastern bloc propaganda time, ticking backwards.
Upbringing, yes.
My 'education' was of the most indoctrinated kind by virtue, still it didn't make much a dent on my 'upbringing'. Even though i remember a few years (12 - 14) when i was an upstanding 'pioneer', lol. They do exploit kids' natural affinity for that sort of thing.
(On some reason you don't strike me as being all the way down the rabbithole Inq, that's why i'm reading / replying. Rather than not being arsed with.)
Inquirer stated: source post
Well, I disagree. You must dislike a lot of children's movies then, with their exaggerated morals.
I think semi-indoctrination like that is harmless. A lack of nuance and failure to highlight competing perspectives is much more dangerous. It enables people to live in 'bubbles' where they don't see how reality looks to people different than themselves.
Disney movies are cute, have no issue with them. However I was not raised with them either. And a realist as a a kid.
It is really very dangerous to enable living in bubbles.
'Trust' the think tanks/ government etc etc....that is another form of indoctrination.
Politically correct speech, Non violent speech = Bubble enablement.
One side takes the moral high ground and spouts one thing but does another in actions, and through mass manipulation of shaming and SJW tactics shouts down anyone even slightly contrary or contrary and claims a victory. But in reality, shoots themselves in the foot and denies it to themselves. Who is living in what for a bubble?
Ideas/ Beliefs are one thing, good /bad , ethical/ unethical. Whatever the case may be, however, in practice in Reality, when it is a Fail, and a clear fail as has been proven over and over, lying to yourself about the failure is completely stupid. That is absconding on responsibility and accountability, and why would an government do that and damn it's own people with it? It is absurd. And that is the current reality. Victims of their own stupidity?