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"You are quoting press releases from Turing's own website. You know how PR works right? The lack of any visibility of clinical programs is concerning."

So do you think the FDA approves of clinical programs that have a lack of visibility? Of course in the trial stages there won't be much information. Pfizer or Eli Lily would jump on anything they know.

"Under the current pricing structure, it is estimated that the annual cost of treatment for toxoplasmosis, for the pyrimethamine component alone, will be $336,000 for patients who weigh less than 60 kg and $634,500 for patients who weigh more than 60 kg,' they wrote."

"What is the treatment for toxoplasmosis?

Once a diagnosis of toxoplasmosis is confirmed, you and your health care provider can discuss whether treatment is necessary. In an otherwise healthy person who is not pregnant, treatment usually is not needed. If symptoms occur, they typically go away within a few weeks to months. For pregnant women or persons who have weakened immune systems, medications are available to treat toxoplasmosis." (Source)

I've gone over the accessibility of the drug numerous times in this thread and do not feel the urge to repeat myself.

"I would be less inclined to bring his age into this if he behaved like a credible adult and not a spoiled teenager."

Have you ever listened to him speak to people about his drug or what he's doing? He frequently hosts chats where anyone can call in and talk to him about anything. Some of his behavior is eccentric, but he is on-point when he's in a one-on-one conversation. See the video in this thread where he speaks to someone with AIDS.

I've gone over the accessibility of the drug numerous times in this thread and do not feel the urge to repeat myself.

What you have done is continuously bang your drum that he says he will sell the drug for a dollar a pill to poor people. You are missing the entire point that insurance companies and healthcare providers pay the rest. The system can't afford it so it won't be prescribed. Patients take the drugs that are prescribed to them. The average person who has not taken Daraprim before will not know anything about it and will not reach out for the drug. It is a ridiculous argument. 

MissC, BigPharma and the insurance companies are not hurting, the person at the end of the line in need,... is not hurting...all he managed to do was piss someone off....somewhere...and...the shit hit the fan. 

Crunch the numbers ...then start talking about how 'evil' and 'nasty' he really is...it's pretty funny...

Whether or not his company is able to come up with a new drug or even an improved version with less side effects = UNKNOWN .

It's a gamble no matter which bloody company wants to take on that risk. ( so to throw shade, they are claiming he is not even doing that, and if his company fails, then they are 'justified' but if he succeeds? ....then what? ) 

Hope you will watch that video Trypt, it is very long...but very interesting...

"What you have done is continuously bang your drum that he says he will sell the drug for a dollar a pill to poor people."

Correct, Turing does that.

"You are missing the entire point that insurance companies and healthcare providers pay the rest."

In the cases that people fall within certain income brackets, the drug is $1 to anyone within a low income bracket, on behalf of Turing. Insurers are not involved.

"The system can't afford it so it won't be prescribed."

Turing states that it works with healthcare providers to ensure people that need the drug are able to get it. Shire helped me with the cost of my Vyvanse prescription. This is nothing new in the pharmaceutical industry.

"Patients take the drugs that are prescribed to them. The average person who has not taken Daraprim before will not know anything about it and will not reach out for the drug. It is a ridiculous argument."

Here you make two assumptions:

1) Physicians do not work with patients on their best treatment. Perhaps they are not always great at it. But that is a matter of the medical system, not the pharmaceutical industry. A psychiatrist determined I should be put on Vyvanse, which I could not afford. However, Shire worked with her based on my income, and I got the drug at a very reduced cost.

2) People are not responsible for themselves. If I had a disease, I would be doing research on it, not just taking any meds. Now I'm (almost) sorry for those who are incapable of finding out information on a diagnosis they have, but it's really not that difficult.

I'm not concerned about big pharma or insurance companies for that matter but these practices drive costs up for everyone and ultimately makes insurance unaffordable for many. They put unnecessary pressure on the system. You can say the person at the end of the line isn't hurting and I assume you are basing your opinion on what Shrekli has to say on the matter. 

Tryp, how much do you pay for medical insurance?

Anyhow, this was an interesting bone to gnaw on and it will be interesting to watch it play out. I do not believe he will develop any drugs. He's going to be far too busy fighting the numerous law suits he's facing. He has quite a record behind him and absolutely no credibility, imo.  

"I'm not concerned about big pharma or insurance companies for that matter but these practices drive costs up for everyone and ultimately makes insurance unaffordable for many. They put unnecessary pressure on the system and drive costs up. You can say the person at the end of the line isn't hurting and I assume you are basing your opinion on what Shrekli has to say on the matter."

Like I said, pharma companies will work with patients based on income. Some people are going to pay more, yes. R&D isn't free, and funding it is going to require income. But they work with people who are within income brackets so that the drug can be prescribed. All of my grandmother's medications are either generics, or reduced based on her income.

"Tryp, how much do you pay for medical insurance?"

I pay nothing for it. The last insurer I had took about $10 from each check I earned? Maybe $25? I don't remember off-hand.

"Anyhow, this was an interesting bone to gnaw on and it will be interesting to watch it play out. I do not believe he will develop any drugs. He's going to be far too busy fighting the numerous law suits he's facing. He has quite a record behind him and absolutely no credibility, imo."

Shkreli is not the current CEO of Turing.

Shkreli is not the current CEO of Turing.

So what? 

My point was of course not, because as you pointed out:

"I do not believe he will develop any drugs. He's going to be far too busy fighting the numerous law suits he's facing."

For his company, he had to step down. But that doesn't mean Turing will not continue with its research. They already are, and are getting FDA approvals. Whether or not Shrekli will be playing a pivotal role in the future will depend on how everything plays out.

i admire your restraint with focussing on issues and such, but i have no such restraint

Yeah, your succinct summation is bang on, Pach. It was interesting to explore this but at the end of the day if it looks like crap and smells like crap, it's generally crap. :)