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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?


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a sociopath is someone that lacks trust. the other traits are a result of this simple problem and other individual characteristics.

it can be caused by many events adding up or one event during a person life where trust of another is broken, typically during the formative years when your personality is developing.

to quote Corey

" To get into more detail, sociopathy arises when a deep bond shared with someone is broken by the person with whom it is shared. It's a betrayal that can never be rectified. The trauma said person caused is one that can't be rationalized or justified. We can't make sense of it, but we know we are not the ones to blame. A personal conflict arises. We are the victim of someone who we had such trust in. We can't recover from that, so we change. We adapt to expect this behavior from anyone - after all, if the person we bonded with can cause such a thing, what the fuck will stop anyone else in the world? It becomes a game to us - the world, life, people. We've seen how ugly it can be, so we're prepared to be just as ugly if and when we need to. We don't feel sorry because there was no one to feel sorry for us. Fuck your feelings.

Now, there are two types - high functioning and low functioning. Each type generally operates in the opposite way. Here's a basic HFS vs LFS breakdown.

  • Controlled vs uncontrolled behavior.
  • Skillful deception vs obvious lying.
  • Automatic (don't need to think before acting) vs manual (has to think about every step) actions.
  • I would include great planners vs poor planners.

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i am sure it is different for many people, this rings true for me, a life long high functioning sociopath.

 

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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?

Conscientiousness is the personality trait that is defined as being thorough, careful, or vigilant; it implies a desire to do a task well. Conscientious people are efficient and organized as opposed to easy-going and disorderly. They exhibit a tendency to show self-discipline, act dutifully, and aim for achievement; they display planned rather than spontaneous behavior; and they are generally organized and dependable. It is manifested in characteristic behaviors such as being neat and systematic; also including such elements as carefulness, thoroughness, and deliberation (the tendency to think carefully before acting.)Conscientiousness is one of the five traits of the Five Factor Model of personality and is an aspect of what has traditionally been referred to as having character. Conscientious individuals are generally hard-working and reliable. 

Conscientiousness is an inherent property of a healthy Human being. The dark horse which powers Conscientiousness is insecurity, and the desire to be valued and liked by one's social group. This desire to be liked, or to have the good will of others is rooted in the desire for security, and this is a goal not only of the conscientious, but everyone, including those with ASPD. The differences are in the methods used by these different personality types to achieve their goal.

I would argue that security and prestige is a fundamental Human desire, but the ability to maintain a steady persona while keeping to commitments, responsibilities, and other duties requires a certain level of anxiety, and when the individual lacks this anxiety, motivation to assimilate, to treat others with kindness, to feel compassion, and to be conscientious dwindles, and the result is:

so·ci·o·path (noun)

  1. a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
     

So in conclusion, I would argue that a sociopath is someone who lacks social anxiety. They are the opposite of people with extreme social anxiety. 

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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?

water is fluid, more news at 24. But I know for a fact that after I hit some dope I become much more prone to lying and scheming on people, I lose inhibitions and fears

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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?

Social anxiety is a very real thing for aspds too, it's just in a different form. 

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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?

it's the opposite

Edit: another one that tested the exact hypothesis

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Well said, but I must say It's surprising to think that anxious people are less likely to be conscientious. You'd think that anxiety would be a form of motivation to seek out ways to avoid the anxiety.

Something else I read that I found interesting is how Dopamine isn't just important in making the Human happy, but it also plays a major roll in motivation. Simple put, you are most motivated when you are happy.... Depressed people should not expect to feel motivation. Motivation... to do a job well, for example, comes in greater quantities if the Human enjoys the job...

It's cool in a way, the individual who is highly skilled in anything will very likely enjoy their work the most, because it is the enjoyment that leads to the skill. In other ways, it is a sad thing to think. In moments when you are feeling unhappy, or down, is it because your thoughts are making you sad, so you are not producing enough dopamine?

The scary idea is that evolution can have both advantages and disadvantages for both a high and low level of anxiety, and also for Humans who have high or lower levels of dopamine production... perhaps it can be argued that for some Humans, with low dopemine, there is an evolutionary advantage for not feeling highly motivated, perhaps high levels of dopamine have their own drawbacks. It would not be fun to discover that happiness and motivation (or lack of it) is not a choice, and is in fact something we have no control over. It would undermine the entire idea of capitalism as moral.

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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?

Luna Prey stated: source post

I would argue that a sociopath is someone who lacks social anxiety.

lacking social anxiety is due to a lack of caring for people

if you really dont care about people then you really dont care about what they think, thus no social anxiety

 

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So, everything that I thought made me NOT a sociopath now makes me one.  This causes me anxiety.

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Sociopathy & ASPD caused by a lack of Social Anxiety ?

Cringiness is a type of social anxiety. People in here have a heightened sense of cringe I notice.

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