Pachuco stated: source post
kind of reads like a fight club monaloge by someone whos not sure what to be angry about
/triggered
It's not just about Capitalism's the thing, that's just a convenient catalyst for Tyler Durden to release his angst upon. No sense of structure would leave him comfortable, he wants complete chaos as his means of inciting vengeance upon existence itself. He has the right idea about trying to have a mind of your own instead of the mind others tell you to have, about his own expression of "YOLO", and his understanding on the human condition that's made through a "Spiritual War", but his way of handling it is... pretty out there.
He's a prime example of existential crisis more than anarchy when you read between the lines. The story is told through one of the most unreliable narrators out there, and taking it at surface level serves to miss out on the majority of the story. The reveal at the end is meant to jar those who were taking it at surface level out of it and attempt to make them ask more questions about the presenter, a wonderful self-demonstration after repeating that sort of thing over and over about advertisements and society itself in a negative fashion. It also plays even further into the notion of contradiction, but in that case creatively displayed through the author instead of those within the story by showing he's not above it himself.
As another note on the focus of contradiction his creation of "Project Mayhem" uses elements of groupthink and cult-like indoctrination that's not too far off from the very sorts of things that he opposes beyond it's lack of subtlety. Tyler uses that which he hates as a weapon against itself, and even his suicide mission portions are purely for the aim of being "immortal". Seriously, it's contradiction city within that plotline, and anyone who sees it plainly as just "Anarchy 101" is missing out on a lot.
Turncoat stated: source post
I disagree. Both are expressions of self-focused angst, but one is related to a lack of research while the other is obsessively related to far, far too much of it. It's effectively comparing ignorance to knowledgeable insanity and calling them "the same vein".
Blanc has the wrong idea but is still fairly functional, while Fight Club discusses the right idea while expressing it through a flawed, ego driven sickness that senselessly demands retribution alongside the contradiction of knowing he doesn't matter enough to deserve it.As for the Brad Pitt portion, that was intentional. It's meant to both showcase the protagonist's sense of idealism (expressed plainly through Norton and Brad swapping which of the two smokes cigarettes) and express obvious levels of contradiction. The whole story is purposely filled with them, but the presentation doesn't try to make it blatant beyond a few areas.
p.s. acute does mean the opossite :DFor math, yeah, but is it used when talking about people? I've heard a lot of one but not the other conversationally.
ill preface this by sayin that you are a dyslexics nightmare :D gonna persevere anyway
i dont think fight club has the right idea, phillesophically speaking. i understand the bitnerness about being told what to buy, where to work, when to wake up etc etc, but i dont think this system (ie western capitalism) is any worse than the others humans have tried. sure as shit aint worse than fuedal england. not worse than communist russia. not worse than livin in a cave and warring with other tribes
if the price to pay to live in relative comfort is to be told by calvin klein that his jeans will heal my existential pain, then ill pay it. people have always relied on distraction. it used to be fuckin running at each other with swords or whipping yourself whenever you took a shit on a sunday. ill gladly take a six-pack of beer and an infomertial about some nutrient blender
i also dont think blanc has the right idea, randomly throwin out disconnected shit to be angsty about.
p.s. not sure about acute. i say go with it
I disagree. Both are expressions of self-focused angst, but one is related to a lack of research while the other is obsessively related to far, far too much of it. It's effectively comparing ignorance to knowledgeable insanity and calling them "the same vein".
Blanc has the wrong idea but is still fairly functional, while Fight Club discusses the right idea while expressing it through a flawed, ego driven sickness that senselessly demands retribution alongside the contradiction of knowing he doesn't matter enough to deserve it. He's only mad at museums and business tactics because of how it aims to shroud the truth and steer people away from what he believes to be enlightenment, and as an expression of how it's ruined his own life up to that point. They cleverly try to disguise his blatant self-justification through the use of the word "we", when he really means "me", having him finding others who serve to enable him be why he spirals further and further out of control. What makes it poetic isn't how it's written, it's the layers upon layers of subtext, what isn't said. There's none of that with Blanc, who is instead keeping it entirely liminal.
As for the Brad Pitt portion, that was intentional. It's meant to both showcase the protagonist's sense of idealism (expressed plainly through Norton and Brad swapping which of the two smokes cigarettes for instance) and express obvious levels of contradiction. The whole story is purposely filled with them, but the presentation doesn't try to make it blatant beyond a few areas. For another hilarious contradiction, Tyler Durden expresses a hatred of permanency at points (hence his embracing destruction), yet that film was well done enough that it will likely be seen as a period piece of it's time for decades.
p.s. acute does mean the opossite :D
For math, yeah, but is it used when talking about people? I've heard a lot of one but not the other conversationally.
Pachuco stated: source post
call me obtuse
Would calling someone acute mean the opposite?
but idk what that means
For clarification, I was sarcastically referring to myself as opposed to you referentially from my own strange fascination with Fight Club from your daring to compare that drivel to it. Fight Club is a story about a deeply flawed villain protagonist's warped coping mechanisms related to the temporary nature of everything, his angst at his own meaninglessness, and the fear of his own inevitable death. Ultimately, he attempts to embrace that which he denies or fears through pushing himself to extremism as a means of forcing himself to grow, only to become something darker and more childish in the process. It's a tale of ascension through the eyes of madness, a tale of learning to let go, and for whatever reason I find the material eerily relatable despite seeing much of what he does and how he behaves as wrong from it's pointlessness and somewhat contradictory focus on his own ego's outward lashings after being repressed for so long.
Blanc's case meanwhile isn't half as poetically displayed. It's just aimless angst where, if it isn't parody, it's plain sad.
i like fight club as much as the next guy, but blanc's shtick is kinda in the same vein
i mean this this bit from fight club "Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy s--t we don't need"
sure, blanc aint as poetic, but she/he/whatever isnt an author. same aimless angst
then you got this line from fight club "We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."
.... spoken by brad pitt, who is literally the same guy hes talkin about, in a film that grossed fuckin millions of dollars that lined the pockets of people who probly when on to make the same mindless shit tyler durden was complaining about
p.s. acute does mean the opossite :D
They both are oddly similar to one another for their skills and interests, but how they go about living with that knowledge is completely divided. While Brad's angst is directed at the world around him, Marla's is instead an expression of self-angst. While Brad serves to empower Norton's insanity through telling him to let go, Marla serves to have him become disgusted with himself and question what's going on. In a fucked up way, Brad's the Id, Norton's the Ego, and Marla's the Superego.
Marla being imaginary adds another element to how fucking warped Norton is. He was likely jacking off repeatedly into a bunch of condoms, which makes sense if he's an extremely amped up schizophrenic type. People under heavy levels of stress end up with higher tendencies towards arousal and sleeplessness, and disorders that amount to higher energy levels tend to walk hand in hand with a heightened sex drive (sometimes even sexual addiction) from the body recognizing that orgasm is an easy and procreative way to calm down (something I learned from my Sexual Psychology class years back).
It also makes how much she compliments how good he is in bed into hilarious ego padding... targeted at another aspect of himself instead of his self-loathing core who he believes in his mind doesn't deserve it.
i did read the book a long time ago. one of the few ive ever managed to finish lol. i dont remember it that well, and i cant remember which felt bleaker. i found the book quite funnny in parts, but the film kinda seemed to use humor as a plot device
as for the marla illusion thing, i found myself wondering that when i saw the film, but i never saw her as his consciense. interesting that you say that