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Gypsy stated: source post

 I've been having these kind of episodes with hearing voices and so on, I'm open minded about the cause.............
 

 

No you're not. 

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I still question how said demons would factor into heredity, one's genetic predisposition. Are those people more prone to being infested with the same demons, like how a certain blood type can attract more mosquitoes, or is it that the demons themselves procreate in an overlaying fashion when their host has sex?

I could see the "demons" explanation apply more strongly towards acquired disorders like PTSD, but... yeah, still lacks any real backing beyond an insane bend on faith. The "demons" notion to me sounds more like a way of excusing one's behaviors as not really being their fault, thereby excusing him of his own "demons" in the process as not really being a factor of himself, but instead something externally acquired.

It reminds me a little of Toby Allen's art pieces:

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Oh wow, I loved that rant. It raises so many questions... Does one have to be BPD or bipolar to have the demon infection? How does one know if it's the Jezebel demon or some other type of demon? Is there any scientific literature I can study on this matter?

Then again, I'm not sure I'd want medical advice from anyone who types the following sentence: "I know a little bit about Scientology, one thing I agree with them, is the Alien thing."

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I am seriously thinking about being more open and honest with those around me. I guess the question for me is to what extent that would bleed into other areas of my life. I'm a naturally secretive person - no one single person knows everything that's going on in my life, and I like it that way. Different individuals only ever see the side of me that I want them to see, nobody has the full picture. If I had a partner who I deeply trusted and felt understood me then perhaps that would change, but I have yet to meet such a person. Another aspect is that this is something that could in a real life context be potentially seen as a weakness or be used against me, and I want to protect against that. Nevertheless, I may take one or two people into my confidence about this, just for the sake of security. 

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Don't.

You can't trust anybody.

 

"  Different individuals only ever see the side of me that I want them to see, nobody has the full picture. "

 Same with me. This is how you should keep it.

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Stress is fine as long as you manage it. I'm not saying you ought to abstain from it, but going the extra mile to de-stress is important.

Meditation doesn't work for me either, but not from it clearing room for other things, but from said room being impossible to clear in the first place.

Do you have no friends who you think would accept you being this way? I used to try hiding it more, but then I saw how much of a needless hassle it was once I began being more open about it. The upkeep of keeping it secret and acting like nothing's wrong built up more stress, making it compound on itself for how difficult it was to maintain. Making it sound more like a scientific ailment followed by stories of the crazy told in a fairly deadpan fashion tends to have them become more intrigued, like it's a quirk, as opposed to a frightened or mocking nature. For those who can't co-exist with me being like that, I move on to people instead who can. It has me more often than not surrounded by people with ailments of their own, but I've found myself with much closer relationships with those types personally. They're less superficial when their "demons" don't scare others away, and in turn they return the same kindness. They also tend to be more honest and trusting through the mutual struggle and willingness to help the other.

As for the recording/writing portion, I guess ours do stem from different natures. Mine at points wants to chronicle everything when like that out of fear that "it'll go away if I don't", usually from the belief of some sort of outside interference wanting it to be that way. While that train of thought isn't logical, it does give me a record occasionally that I can try to decipher for the sake of further understanding of what I can become. A lot of what goes on during an episode can black out when I'm past it otherwise, so I usually like to have someone with me to help keep things under control or at least be able to tell me what I was doing.

The best I can recommend from your not "thinking clearly enough" during it is to try to recognize the signs and symptoms as they come on, then try to hastily control the environment around you before it's too late. Your episode sounds fairly carefree, so once under it's effects you probably won't try to turn off whatever is recording you. I still recommend having at least one close friend know for the sake of helping you recognize the shifts, as alone we're likely to be horribly unreliable narrators while they can continue to try to help you once you're unable to help yourself.

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Awwww, I hope my demon is that cute!! I'd like it to just crawl out of my head so I could make it a peanut butter sandwich and dress it in a little woolly sweater and a scarf. Hopefully Tony will tell me more about what my demon will look like so maybe I could knit something for it. 

And yeah, I see what you mean about 'demons' being a way of not accepting responsibility, like a lot of addicts refer to their addiction as a 'demon'. It does seem to me to be a way of evading responsibility for your behaviour, but then I guess many mental disorders do feel as if they have an external cause rather than an internal one, such is the intensity of the symptoms and the powerlessness of the sufferer. 

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Lets see... elements of conspiracy and "herd mentality" arguments, heavy levels of assumption to justify her own version of what's going on, and attempting to appeal to the other person to feel less alone in her cause.

Seems like a legitimate point to be arguing from. My giving advice to Gypsy is really about how much my gears have been grinded by you from old news... especially before you even entered this topic.

It always has to be about you, doesn't it?

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Yep. The same thing happened the last time I sided with the management of a forum against a little clique just like yours.

That's what cliques do when somebody stands up to them.

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Continuing to miss the point as usual.

I'm going to go back to focusing on Gypsy. She's fairly lucid by comparison and has the means to see beyond her own preemptive spin.

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