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lol yeah. I was joking.

I'm ok with our child support laws for the most part. However, I was thoroughly disgusted with the way the new (enacted about 16 years ago) legislation applied those laws to welfare recipients. There are 2 different sets of rules up here. One allows choices to people with money, and one makes targets out of anybody in financial need. Like how dare they? I had a nice little under-the-table arrangement for the time I wasn't working (lemme point out again that I was on welfare for a total of less than 4 years of my kids' lives when our poorbashing laws wrecked everything I was trying to build :P)

That's what it's about, tho. They know that women will take the support money and the welfare checks if they can get away with it. So they exploit everybody's ignorance to gouge the poor for $$ they don't have. The laws up here were passed to make some greedy credit company richer. And the lawyers, ofc. Always the lawyers are getting rich off us. The welfare system drags the dads through court and demands that they pay $800/month in support money AND another $500 EVERY FUCKING MONTH to these greedy collection agencies.

I say let the couples keep their little under-the-table support arrangements and their welfare checks too. It's not like the guys are frikkin Tom Cruise. Most men who would let their kids rot away on welfare don't pay support for very long anyway. No, it's not always bc they're assholes. Sometimes the economy just sux and there's nothing either parent can do but work part time and scam the welfare system (which does not pay enough to keep a roof over our heads in this country unless we cheat while we're on it.)

It's all extremely temporary. That crap the pundits spew about people scamming welfare for life is just rhetoric. The reality is dude, woman and baby. He makes minimum wage, part time bc they're both young. She can't work for a few years for obvious reasons. So she declares him a deadbeat and takes her pathetic little $900/month in welfare money and pays her rent phone and utility bills (if she's lucky.) He lives with her on the sly and pays for everything else. In a few years when the kid's older and people take them srsly, they both collect student loans and come out the other side as qualified professional smthg or others and pay back what they borrowed.

Don't try to tell me otherwise. It happened all the time in my mom's day. Most of my mom's former welfare recipient friends own land and have impressive CVs now. Most of them educated themselves and got off welfare by the time their kids were in middle school. Some a few years sooner than that.

Everything changed at the turn of the millenium. Our welfare system with the help of CPS ruined literally tens of thousands of lives when they started trying to force everybody to make their child support arrangements official. A lot of employable people were labelled loonies and shoved into homeless shelters and onto disability when they were unable to gouge the dads for support. Too bad so sad for the next generation of taxpayers. Foisting a self-fulfilling stereotype onto somebody helps them feel better about themselves, I guess. Those tactics certainly haven't made the scapegoat class any more employable than they were.

Thanks to those right wing morons, I have a crappy job that pays just over minimum wage and my ex thinks I'm insane bc I told him to fuck off and then my welfare worker dragged him into court. long after the fact. And nobody got jack shit out of the deal besides a frikkin headache. I know many many women who fared far worse than I did after the province was finished with them.

Why the males and not the females?

Both males and females should have the option of birth control. Women have pills, IUDs, shots... Men should also have the option of using pills, shots, etc., as an extra, easily reversible and temporary precaution. Better safe than sorry.

"Men (and women for that matter) do have the ability, in most states, to give up legal rights to a child, thus allowing them to avoid further child support. Most men, however, do not take that option as it is basically a statement that they don't give a fuck and will never care enough to ask to see the child. This document can be completed and brought to court at any time."

I wasn't aware of that.  What the fuck are they all whining about, then? XD

"A person must be notified that they have a child in order for proceedings to collect child support begin."

Yes, but if what Litany says is true, then they could be kept in the dark until this "opt out" period expires, and then be told about the child and forced to pay child support afterwards.  What I'm suggesting is that the opt out phase become indefinite, until the man is informed.

My bad... Yeah, that is pretty screwed.

I haven't gotten around to this topic since it was created after me and a friend got all hyped up ranting on child support(lol), but I'll give my own personal testimony on the matter.

In every sense that I've seen child support used(which was frequently) it was always abused to the point of being comedic, then sad. Both of my parents were both the recipients of child support in which both of them grossly misused the money and taunted the other with that. My father is the worst example of that, using the child support my mother gave him to pay off his girlfriend's college tuition fees. I've got several cousins who also saw their parents misuse child support and an uncle who's hiding out because he has $40,000 owed in child support. 

The system needs to be regulated in my opinion, my idea is to make the child support check come in the form of food stamps, or come in a payment form that can only be used to pay bills. Or a way that the goverment can monitor what the parent is actually doing with the money.

In most states in the US, there is no "opt out" period. At any time in the child's life, a man or woman can sign away their parental rights. I imagine that they don't because it's a douche thing to do. Essentially, they are giving up even visitation rights and any claim to parenthood of the child forever. Legally, they are not the parent. I imagine that most people don't do this because it is a super douchey thing to do.

But again, as far as the way the laws affect a majority of couples in my province (i.e. the ones who are employed) they look fair enough to me. The working people I know have no complaints with their voluntary support and custody arrangements.

I was talking about the "opt out" policy in Denmark.